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To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

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AngeloMysterioso · 24/10/2025 11:33

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

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fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:19

It’s really not that deep. Some people are repulsed by her attitude towards prostitution and her endless ‘poor me, but give me attention’ rhetoric. You are not. That’s it really.
Would I shout abuse at her in the street? No. Do I wish her any ill? No. But I don’t like her and I’m allowed not to. I doubt she gives a shiny shit what I think of her.

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:27

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

Well I’m going to take an informed guess that as she has openly used prostitutes and is happy for her husband to use them, then she thinks using women as prostitutes is fine.
Many people will disagree with the attitude that behaviour demonstrates.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:31

Lily Allen has spoken publicly and in her book about her use of prostitutes.

Here's the poor, poor pitiful me explanation from her.

I was looking for anything. Looking for an outlet. It's not really a salacious sex story, it's more about hotel rooms and being on my own and being very far away from my kids and my husband."

She later told her 870,000 Instagram followers: "I slept with female escorts when I was on tour, cause I was lost and lonely and looking for something."

There are gazillions of Google hits for "Lily Allen - sex workers"

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:32

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

Are you for real? She used prostitutes. I'm repulsed by anyone who uses prostitutes.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:32

Are you for real? She used prostitutes. I'm repulsed by anyone who uses prostitutes.

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She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:33

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

You know that she is happy to use the services of prostitutes for her pleasure and her husbands.
Is that repulsive to you?

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:34

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:33

You know that she is happy to use the services of prostitutes for her pleasure and her husbands.
Is that repulsive to you?

I don't know she was 'happy'. I don't know how she felt about it at all.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:35

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

Or an extremely selfish person who doesn't consider others before her own needs.
She has DD's.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:35

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

No. That is a ridiculous argument.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:36

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:35

Or an extremely selfish person who doesn't consider others before her own needs.
She has DD's.

I think she may be this as well. I don't know her.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:36

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:35

No. That is a ridiculous argument.

Ok, we shall disagree

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:38

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

Does that apply to male punters or just Lily Allen?

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:38

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:38

Does that apply to male punters or just Lily Allen?

Yes it does

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:39

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

I think you’re splitting hairs now. She used them, she openly admits it and she sings about agreeing to her husband fucking other women on the condition that there’s payment for the sex.
People have their own (varying) opinions on the morality of that.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:42

I don't think I can face anymore discussion about the woman so will depart. I wish you a harmonious weekend.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:43

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:38

Yes it does

You said earlier you wouldn't waste time trying to drum up compassion and understanding for "damaged" male punters. Are you changing your tune?

Still an apologist either way.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:44

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:43

You said earlier you wouldn't waste time trying to drum up compassion and understanding for "damaged" male punters. Are you changing your tune?

Still an apologist either way.

That is not what I said. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for you in all honesty, I hope you have a good weekend

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 17:07

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:44

That is not what I said. I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for you in all honesty, I hope you have a good weekend

I asked you earlier

Do you expend so much compassion and understanding on male punters?

You answered

No, I don't

You then changed your tune in your later posts when I asked again if your requirement that we apply compassion and understanding applied to male punters or just Lily Allen? And said "yes it does"

You changed your tack and are now trying to make out I'm just too stupid to understand you.

Nothing, including your hand wringing on behalf of Lily Allen, excuses the use of prostitutes. I find your posts embarrassing.

Mangetoutmangetouti · 26/10/2025 17:31

If a married / partnered person pays for sex without their partner’s knowledge, that’s a betrayal , man or woman.
But context matters. When someone is in the grip of addiction or deep emotional pain, as lily was at the time, their choices often come from survival mode, not entitlement or thrill seeking. It doesn’t excuse the behaviour, but it does change what it means.
and it is up to the partner / family how they choose to deal with it, whether to work on it together and independently or whether it’s an unfixable breach

Her situation with David is different again. If they agreed he could sleep with paid strangers but not have an affair, that’s a boundary, a messy one, but still a negotiated arrangement / agreement that he reneged on . The question is whether she actually wanted that, or whether she said yes because she felt like saying no would cost her the relationship.

What’s striking is how quickly people forget that men do this all the time and get treated as flawed but forgivable.
Ive seen hundreds of posts on here over the years where the woman has chosen to forgive her partner and work on the marriage.
When a woman does it, it’s “proof” she’s unhinged, broken, or deserving of punishment.
The public loves a redemption arc for men but rarely extends the same empathy to women, especially women who are open about sex, addiction, or regret.

on a technical level, paying for sex while married isn’t morally different between genders.
But the reaction to it is. The outrage towards her says less about ethics and more about how uncomfortable people still are with women owning both their sexuality and their damage, both inward and outward and how we/ they express it.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 17:41

But context matters. When someone is in the grip of addiction or deep emotional pain.
I'd say over 70% of criminals have been in the grip of addiction or deep emotions pain, it doesn't excuse hurting others or prison space would be plentiful.
Her situation with her DH was playing with fire, again risky, risky actions have desperate consequences.
Her Children are the victims.

carchi · 26/10/2025 17:49

AmIthatSpringy · 25/10/2025 18:24

Im surprised she's still relevant.

Clearly she has run out of money because she was never really relevant in the first place.

Fridgemanageress · 26/10/2025 17:53

She has always sang (and made a lot of money) about family members - I’m glad she isn’t a family member of mine.

She then says horrible things about her feelings towards her children. No wonder hubby went off for comfort elsewhere, you wouldn’t want to be around half the toxicity that she pedals.

Bambamhoohoo · 26/10/2025 18:08

Not sure she’ll make that much. I have just finished listening to the rest is entertainment who revealed that to earn minimum wage (as revenue not taking into account any costs or revenue share) an artist would need 567,000 streams a month. Lily is going to get many millions in the next few months but it’s not going to last forever. If she doesn’t tour there doesn’t seem to be much money available

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 26/10/2025 18:30

T1Dmama · 25/10/2025 23:55

I’ve not heard it yet…. But hee songs always were a bit like that ‘fuck you, fuck you very mu-uuuu-ch’ was one from years ago wasn’t it?
I used to be a fan and deleted her off devices when I had my daughter many years ago. Then she’s had a few years of not doing much due to becoming a mother herself didn’t she?
I do love her voice though, The song she sang for the John Lewis Christmas advert was lovely

You deleted her albums when you had your daughter?! What? Why? Because you disapprove of her behaviour?! That’s weird. Did you delete the music of say, as an example because I have no idea of your musical tastes, The Beatles? Because those guys did way worse than Lily Allen could ever dream. Even lovable old Ringo almost beat his wife to death! But yet still, my kids primary school has them singing Yellow Submarine in assembly FFS.

This is all pearl-clutching, misogynistic nonsense and this thread is genuinely shocking reading. I didn’t know people still thought like this!

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