To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

Mmm I wouldn't be so sure about that. Farage is making anti-abortion noises, and he's backed by US money.

Is that statement not just as bad as saying Islam is a threat to our lives? It's not the religion that is the issue, it's evil people using it as a justification to discriminate and attack others.

Are you aware that 75% of MI5s work is preventing terrorist attacks in the name of Islam?

From the Neighbourhood Watch website:

Terrorism is the use of indiscriminate violence to spread fear in a bid to achieve political, religious, ideological, or financial aims.
There have been various causes of terrorism in the UK. In the 20th century, most attacks were linked to the Northern Ireland conflict. Since the 2000s, most terror attacks have been linked to Islamic extremism.
MI5 and police are running more than 500 live operations involving roughly 3,000 potential suspects at any one time.

And then there is the genocidal murder in the name of Islam of Christians in Sudan, which mainstream media seem to have zero interest in.

https://timep.org/2024/05/09/the-forgotten-war-on-sudans-christians/

You are utterly wrong. Try listening to the ex Muslim campaigners trying to warn us that certain tenets of Islam are totally incompatible with life in a Western democratic society. The subjugation of women, the throwing of gay men off tall buildings, the view that dogs are dirty and should be banned.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

Why would that shock you? Our national church is the Christian Church of England.

Well I think what you mean is that you are not religious / Christian. Most religions have some concept of unacceptable behaviour, and some rituals for acknowledging responsibility and trying to behave better. It’s a point of view.

I don’t see Christianity as a threat, in fact it’s almost like it’s being used in defence. Surely if it’s being used in defence you should look at where that is aimed and then you will find the threat

Sin (sinner) is a religious concept to force people to believe that they must behave in a certain way. It’s a control mechanism.

Thats nice, he’d still have to get it past MP’s etc. There is very little appetite for that kind of thing and thankfully we don’t live in a dictatorship.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023

Only 6% of people think abortions should be banned.

Yes agree too and with pp replying in agreement.

People do this thing where they assume that because americans are anglophones that the Uk and the USA have the same culture. They really really do not.

Not a fan of Farage, but what exactly has he suggested so far, apart from lowering the deadline for abortions from 24 to 20 weeks? Fwiw, the current deadline in Germany (as an example) is 12 weeks.

And of course, it’s MEN leading the narrative… again 🙄

honestly, I feel like we are living in the dark ages again! Men writing a new forced agenda to seek control over women but using a narrative that works before and will likely work again!

religion!

The changes in the US have been driven by the religious right - extreme views. Thankfully the uk hasn’t gone down that path.

The vast majority of actual violence in the name of religion in the UK and also the more insidious shit has been islamic inspired terrorism and muslim brotherhood stuff as pointed out. No it doesn’t mean muslims generally are a threat, of course it doesn’t but if you are worried about extremism you have to be honest about where the threat is actually coming from, not where you would prefer to focus because it’s more comfortable.

Ah, so not only is our displaying the flag becoming an issue for people, but now one of the last bastions of our culture is also coming under threat and criticism. Religions all over the world are responsible for many wars, but you can’t focus on demonising one religion but allowing others to stand and prosper. Like all religion, you will get a few people who weaponise it.

I am fascinated by how Christianity shapes American politics. It does feel very different to the uk.

England has an established church. Our monarch has a role in that church and a big chunk of our schools are faith based. Im not too worried.

In many places Christians are persecuted.

Looking at big reviews of th3 NHS. Highly unpopular I guess, but h3 does have a point. It’s not fit for purpose in its current format, and maybe we need someone brave enough to acknowledge that and do what they need to do, even if it means heavily tweaking it.

Birth rates for strongly religiously adherent and fundamentally religious people are outstripping the birth rates for secular and casually religious people, so there is going to be a shift towards the religious populations.

In America that will be a more Christian shift and in the UK it appears to be a more Islamic shift. Neither are good for the rights of women, and as the mother of a daughter this concerns me. But I'm not sure what we do stop it.

I don't think you are Catholicking wrong tbh. But I didn't vote because I'm not sure how deep this newfound commitment to Christianity really is. That is I suspect it's just a way for racists to ' noise up' Muslims , Hindus and adherents of other religions. In former times of course , crowds of angry men shouting ' Christ is King' would have struck terror into Jewish people more than any other group.

As for the bible , Catholics have never taken it literally. Neither have Protestants until very recently. After a conference in Chicago in 1920 a booklet called The Fundamentals was published. Since then fundamentalism has become more widespread. But it's not going to take root in Europe imo.

😉I think everyone if they are honest has done wrong at some point - lies / dishonesty / greed / jealousy / etc etc

It’s extremism that’s the issue rather than what the religion is.

the american brand of Christianity can fuck right off, we don’t need to import that here.

I think the wrong people, such as TR are jumping on the Christianity bandwagon, with the intention of stirring up hatred against Muslims. As with any religion, Christianity in itself is not dangerous, it is only when people with sinister intent use it as a smokescreen.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

you are not catholicking wrong

• Truth and Goodness in Other Religions: While Catholicism holds that it possesses the fullness of truth, the Church acknowledges that elements of truth and goodness can be found in other religious traditions. It recognises that these elements can lead people to a deeper understanding of God and a moral life. The goal is to build relationships, engage in respectful dialogue, and seek areas of common ground while acknowledging theological differences.

Not when tweaking it means getting rid of it to the highest bidder.

The march for bigotry last Saturday has nothing to do with Christianity. The message of whatever you do to the least of my brother's you do unto me doesn't feature.
Unfortunately I know some people who went on the march - would never turn the other cheek, forgive others or feed the hungry.
As a Christian I would have the attitude to the marchers of Forgive them lord for they know not what they do.

Jealousy and envy are feelings you can’t help. You can help your actions and behaviour, but your feelings just make you human.