To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

All religions are an issue IMO however I don’t see Christian’s killing their relatives because they’re ashamed of them for not “doing as they’re told” and marrying strangers they’ve been forced to.

When you are scurrying down the road to the market being careful not to catch any man’s eyes in case you inflame his passion and dishonour your menfolk, come back and ask again.
Except this forum won’t exist, because women shouldn’t be voicing their opinions.

They aren’t sins unless you follow religious beliefs. As an atheist I can lead a good life without being told how to live my life by religious rules.

We notoriously don’t have separation of church and state in the same way as France because we did reformation rather than revolution and Charles III is head of CoE.

Christianity is not one church and has not been for some time. I hardly suppose the Amish are a threat to security, local or global. I doubt the women of Afghanistan lie awake at night concerned about any variety of Christian.

Charlie Kirk is dead so that seems to negate the idea that the threat was from him or people like him. It’s not a threat to go and get preachy style talked up in the public square.

Antifa turn up at various events - noticeably LWS - and attempt to put a stop to people talking in public. Not religiously affiliated afaik.

Abrahamic religions all have the same God but curiously Judaism is completely non proselytising, Christianity is keen on salvation (ie converting - and had a big falling out with Judaism at the very beginning, as to whether only Jews or Jewish converts should be allowed to become Christians) and Islam is so keen on conversion that there are parts of the world where this is life or death.

I am not convinced that it is the spiritual aspect of any religion that drives whether it is dangerous at any given time. Geography and economics are more likely motivators.

I see where you're coming from. As PP have said, it's a distortion of the Bible's message, and it's the distortion that's dangerous.

It's not a new thing, sadly. Right at the start of the Bible, the serpent subtly warps God's word in the dialogue with Eve. The same thing happened to Jesus. It's why the Bible itself tells us to "test everything".

Christianity?
The biggest threat?
Lol
No

Quite

Why didn't you also mention the UVF and other loyalist terrorists? They were predominantly protestant.

However, the situation in Northern Ireland had nothing to do with religion per se. The Troubles started because of the discrimination against catholics in Northern Ireland. When their attempts to achieve civil rights by peaceful means failed, a minority attempted to achieve those rights plus a united Ireland through force. However, they were fighting for their nationalist/republican beliefs rather than religious beliefs. Same with the unionists. Whilst they are mainly protestant, it is their belief in unionism that they were fighting for.

There just happens to be a correlation between religion and nationalism or loyalism in NI.

I agree.

although that reply will prob alt get deleted.

I don't think there needs to be any religion but we're past that now.
but Islam is a huge problem in this country and around the world. But saying that, all religion comes with conflict and problems.

Nope. It’s Islam.

Your sentence doesn't make any sense - something that doesn't exist cannot give me anything.

jeeeez. brainwashed and cult like.

It's not 'awareness of being a sinner', 'it's following a belief that tells you that you are a sinner'.

I was rather hoping that this was some sort of weird and not funny joke

Again, that's what they said in some parts of America.

Yes, there were approx 2700 so called ‘honour based’ crimes recorded in the UK in 2024 predominantly in the name of Islam. And those were just the crimes recorded.

Of these 111 were for FGM which is apparently practised by several religions, so not exclusive to Islam but practised by Muslims.

It's possible to be a decent human without belief in any god, and it's possible to be a bad one whilst believing in a god.

That doesn't make you 'a sinner' who needs saving.
It makes you a human, who should possibly apologise to folk you've hurt, who should learn from your mistakes and who be punished for any illegal actions.

Exactly, and we have only had the vote for 107 years, anyone who thinks we can't have that taken away from us is grossly naïve.

A lot of the people bitching that this is a Christian country whilst waving flags are the same ones that say its a load of old rubbish if any one actually mentions Jesus or says that they actually are Christian. Its just a shouty club that they've joined so they can be 'trad'. Also note the American flavour to this new surge in Christianity.

Agreed.

Yes 💯. But for decades it suited the Establishment to push the old ' They're killing each other over religion. It's all terribly sad but what can you do?' narrative. It gave them an 'out' of sorts.

But these people were not involved in some dispute about Predestination v Free Will , that's for sure.

To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂

I’m not a Catholic so have no idea about the right or wrong way to Catholic (?) but, no, you don’t seem to understand Christianity. It’s about a personal relationship with God. Do you have that?

A church SHOULD be a welcoming community - mine is- but if that’s the only reason it exists then it’s pointless - just join a bowling club or a choir.

There’s also a difference between Bible-believing Christians and cultural Christians - I think many of us are uncomfortable with our faith being co-opted in this way by people who probably only attend church for weddings and funerals.

We have a similar thing here in Scotland with the Orange marches - most of these people claiming to marching in the name of a religion they don’t actually appear to practice.

How you can look at the global persecution of Christians, watch as their numbers continue to fall and can think ‘Yep, there’s your problem right there’

Delusional.

It worries me. In my local city I see a lot more preachers with loudhailers - and I see more people stopping to listen too. I've also seen, for the first time in my life in this country, anti-abortion activists with huge displays and a large presence.

Saying Islam is a bigger threat is only telling half the story. Fundamentalist Christianity threatens me as a non-religious person in a way that moderate Islam simply does not. There is no problem with moderate religion that does not interfere with the rights of others and public life. But getting to pick the flavour I prefer does not make an overall increase in zealous religion practice more appealing.

So, yeah, seeing people shout "Christ is king" is deeply alarming to me. Also ironic that this is how they reinstate their country's values as it bears no relation to the UK I know.