To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

There is a lot of good people in the world who have faith, I don't associate them with power hungry murderous men with an agenda.
Evil men have always hid behind the excuse of religion.
My spiritual group is a recovery group, people who have been traumatised, that saved their life through spiritual teachings.

Oh, I don't know about the marches you keep referring to so I don't know why you make that assumption but I see, you were just making a generalised statement that White and English = Christian, and gleefully associating your perception of the intent of one group of people, broadly as some sort of representation of the entire demographic. That's very rude, do try not to stereotype and demonise entire communities.

But still,* what has any of this got to do with my post you responded to?*
How does it relate to what I was saying?

I believe the constitution doesn’t actually specify a christian god? Is that right?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/21/charlie-kirk-funeral-memorial-time-updates-arizona

The rhetoric around Charlie Kirk and the crusading language abounds.

I'd never heard of this influencer until his untimely demise.

I think ignoring the political impact of this is naive. We have "a special relationship " with the US so if you scoff at the idea this will have an influence on us, and think an agenda isn't being pushed, I think we've got a problem.

If it takes Christianity rising again to meet the threat of Islam, then I can live with that.

I don't like any religions. All are complete bullshit.

But if I have to choose...

I've answered your question.
Please direct your pointlessly exaggerated language elsewhere.

I hate to disappoint you, but the vast majority of of Christians have no intention of rising up against anything except the kind of toxic crap you are posting.

I just came across your thread, OP. As a Christian (non-denominational now after a long time in the CoE and becoming disillusioned with it) I feel I must make some observations.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

So, you say you are a Catholic, so I presume Christ IS your king? He is for me. So if I see Brits bearing banners that state that I am delighted. If it's not our culture, it should be! I know Brits are reserved and tend not to go in for public displays but I do think Jesus is an exception to that. It's about time we got over our reservations and proclaimed it.

But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff.

I believe the Bible was written by the Holy Spirit who inspired men to write it. The more one studies it the more you will see how it cannot just have been written by man alone. It isn't fallible, it's inerrant. If you believe the Bible is fallible, then which bits do you believe? Doesn't that mean in the end you can't believe any of it? That does appear to be your position now. 'Extremely dated' - do you not think God, who transcends time, knew about us over 2,000 year after Christ? Do you not understand that the Bible is applicable to all generations no matter how far removed? It is still very, very applicable to modern life, or have you fallen into the secular religion trap where Christianity becomes diluted by the thoughts and beliefs of the current age? Honestly I urge you to take a long, hard look at what you actually believe, because you may find you have drifted far from what true Christianity is about.

The majority of Tutsi and Hutu people were/are Christian. Should that religious bond not have prevented the slaughter?

That's true, they don't. Although I can understand it as Muslims themselves are often victims of terrorist attacks, more so than any other group the world over.

But, in any case, I don't seed that as a reason for us not to speak up when Christianity is misused. I don’t like seeing it used to justify racism and violence so that’s why we can’t be seen as condoning it. It goes completely against the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament, who says we should love our enemies as well as our friends. And asylum seekers are not even our enemies.

I’m much more worried by people like Farage spreading hate, than religious war. There are lots of parallels between modern politics, and religion as it was centuries ago, when the Church was a powerful institution, which imprisoned people such as Galileo who questioned their “reality”.

It’s true that if taken literally (very big if), the words of some traditional hymns appear to glorify war: “onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war”.

all these made up books and imaginary beings in the sky are as bad as each other.

We are in a daily spiritual war against Satan, that's what those lyrics mean.

As an atheist, raised catholic, I find all forms of religion problematic - it’s a form of brainwashing. If you need a book or a cult to tell you how to behave like a decent human being, then you lack empathy, not religion.

Most religions ostracise various communities and to me that doesn’t line up with being a decent human being.

Christianity's not really about needing to be told what you need to do to be a decent human being, because that would be a works-based doctrine. The central message of the gospel is that none of us can be decent human beings on our own strength. We continually do the wrong things and hurt others and ourselves. We may know what is right but very often can't do it. St Paul in his letter to the Romans puts it succinctly: "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." Rom.7:15 I can see that struggle in my own life. The solution is through Christ who died for us and shed his own blood for our transgressions.

You can't be brainwashed into being a true Christian believer. God has to convinct you of your sin so that you are compelled to want to repent and find forgiveness. None of us are able to do that by our own will, which is rebellious against God. You could tell me I must do x, y and z and go to Church and give money and force me to do it, but it won't make me a Christian unless I truly repent of my sin. No amount of brainwashing can make me do that, it has to come from God.

I asked Christ to help me, and His Holy Spirit does so. I'm not perfect nor will I be in this life, but day by day He gives me the strength to keep on. I am a 'work in progress' as are all Christians.

You do you 👍🏻

I can recommend reading 'Jesus and John Wayne' by Kristen Kobes du Mez. It's a history of how the Christian right in the US has basically re-worked a lot of their faith towards a rugged masculine, nationalist stance, basically what we're seeing in parts of the US today. It's the assertion of white, masculine power in defence of 'Christian USA' and seems to be making its way over here as well; particularly in the events of the last weekends with Tommy Robinson's lot. It's white men (mostly) claiming to be defending 'our Christian country', though I'd question how many actually attend a church regularly and are have a prayerful, genuine faith.
There's (I think) a certain sector of society who are co-opting bits of Christianity to justify their views and actions - just as Trump has done in the states - but I doubt that they speak for the majority of church-going Christians in this country.

Don't be silly, no it wouldn't.

Have you seen the number of Islamophobic threads about Islam?

This is some of the most ludicrous stuff I have seen. It's as conspiracy mad as Hitler and his claims Jews are trying to control Germany.

It is obvious that the crosses (and flags) are coming out mainly in reaction to Islamism, not race, however much people try to pretend its about race.

The only people you can blame for the far right thickos who marched immigrants and who tried to burn down an asylum hotel are the far right thickos and the governments who pacify them.

Don't offload your problems onto Muslims.

I did not say Muslims. I said Muslim Brotherhood, which is an organisation, and Islamism.

And it is fact not conspiracy theory.

I believe there is a religion which is becoming a threat, but it is not Christianity.

Jesus was also quite clear in saying that his kingdom was not of this world. We cannot create heaven on earth.

There is no moral imperative to love one’s enemies to the extent that you allow yourself to be cowed before them and fail to defend yourself against threats and violence.

I admit I haven’t read the full thread so apologies if I’m repeating anything. It’s fundamentalism that’s the problem not Christianity per se. I am saddened that a very literal and judgmental interpretation of the Bible is becoming prominent. Some people have a very different understanding of the Christian message. Fundamentalism in general is very concerning.

Yes I agree. It's almost cultish

The threat against Muslims is growing.

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