To think Christianity is becoming the biggest religious threat?

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With all that is going on in the world I am seeing Christianity becoming more of a problem.

it shocked me to see British people chanting “Christ is king” at the TR rally last week. That’s not really our culture.

then you have the Charlie Kirk/US issues- I am seeing so many people quoting the bible now, using it to justify their reasoning rather than actual facts and statistics.

”the bible tells us” or “the bible says” . The talk of “god-given” rights. Especially in the US where the pledge of allegiance and the constitution seem to be inextricably mixed up with a Christian god.

I am catholic. But I also believe the bible was written by men, not god, it is fallible. It is more of a collection of stories to convey a good way of living, a code of ethics if you will. But it is also extremely dated and of it’s time, and most of it isn’t applicable to modern life. To me religion is more about a community, a group of people with common ground than god is great we’ll all go to heaven stuff. But I’m probably catholicking wrong 😂. I also believe that most belief systems are pretty similar, and Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc are all probably praying to the same deity. Just slightly different rules.

separation of church and state. But increasingly Christianity is being dragged into politics as some sort of justification as to why that side is right. They have god on their side narratives

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

I didn't agree with you at first but after reading the first reply I do. I thought it might be coming after the trans ideology stuff

It is interesting though that many are going to quite high churches / Roman Catholic Churches… which is where there has been a sudden growth in that age group…

the CofE growth has been outside parish demarcation and mainly at family ages

people like to quote that the church is dying - ours has 700 adults and children every Sunday across three sites, I visited a family member’s church today and they have 800 and are having to rebuild the church as it is not big enough…

traditional churches are dropping in numbers as those who were ‘social Christian’s’ stop going, but people who are believing Christian’s are increasing in number as people look for a sense of meaning etc… the church in the UK is growing…

We don’t have separation of Church and state in this country.

Yes, right and wrong exist. However, you are assuming that the only reason people will behave well is because certain things are described as sins and they fear the repercussions. You are also conflating wrong doing with sin. Sin is simply a way of codifying behaviour society sees as wrong or behaviour society saw as wrong when it was codified.

It is important for us as a society to have rules. Having rules about what behaviour is wrong, and punishment for those who break these rules, means we can build communities and protect its members. Religions codified those general wrongs, and some other makey up wrongs (e.g. not taking the lord's name in vain etc), as sins. People who do not ascribe to any religion are just as capable of recognising right and wrong as those who see wrongdoing as sin. They are also just as capable of breaking those rules for their own benefit. Only difference is that they face secular consequences whereas those who ascribe to a religion also face either real or perceived religious consequences.

YABU, there's just more volume of right wingers being vocal atm. The biggest and most dangerous religious threat is the same as it's always been, extreme Islam.

Islam is by its nature very right wing. Currently its not quite as noisy as other right wing groups, it has been in the past of course, both in this country and other European countries, but not currently.

Sin is a religious concept to try and force people to behave a certain way. You can behave in the right way because you are a decent human being and not because of religious rules.

So how can something I don’t believe exists ever going to impact me ?

Well yes and no

Written codes of conduct and expectations which are formally set out and created are 'made up' but they're usually (not always) based on what humans find tolerable about living with other humans

Killing, rudeness, cheating, hurting, stealing, pushing in queues, spitting in the street. We all have levels of societal expectation and codes, different for different cultures of course but largely stem from us being social animals and there being written and unwritten rules and codes which lead to a smoother running of society.

Religious extremism is a threat whatever the religion.

You believe it exists, you cannot force others to believe that.

I didn't say there was no right or wrong though, where are you getting that from?
Right and wrong can exist without the concept of sin, the need for forgiveness or any god figure.

You're confusing the concept of sin and knowing the basic difference between right and wrong.

Yes. The Inquisition never got here and Puritanism's day in the UK was very brief and wildly unpopular amongst many. This is just another pose by Stephen Yaxley-Lennon to garner support, albeit a very unpalatable one.

We can only hope that enough people of all colours, backgrounds and religions value tolerance and true freedom in the UK, see this for what it is and stand against it.

so am I right in thinking this increasing use of Christianity could end up more of a threat than any other religion?

No. You're not right.

Firstly the UK is a Christian country - which is why it's called the Established Church, why the King is Defender of the Faith (despite Charlie's efforts to row that back to All Faiths), and why bishops get free seats in the House of Lords.
You can argue whether it should be - but currently it is.

Secondly the laws of this country are in line with the New Testament and now there are no laws against apostasy, or atheism, or women, or homosexuality,

There are other religions which do not allow those same freedoms and I think that if any of them became the.established religion with strong influence in parliament and law-making that this would be.a regressive step.

Lastly, all people that seek power use totems (for people to rally round) and shields (to hide behind) and "the other side" (for people to rally against). That's why they've adopted a religion.

I would be more worried about the people that profess to be religious than the religion.

Reality? 🤣

It’s all man made nonsense, devised to control the masses.

Unfortunately, for many so-called Christians around the world, loving thy neighbour is fine, as long as they’re not gay.

The security services terrorism case load is made up of 67% Islamic terrorism. No, Christianity is not the biggest threat…not by a long long way and by any metric.

When white Christian gangs start going around grooming and raping young Muslim girls then we can start worrying about Christianity being a threat.

It's not that simple, it really isn't.
Also, are you forgetting the huge number of abuse cases in the catholic church, mormon church and various other 'churches'?

It is your opinion that Christian belief seeks to control people. It is not mine. Therefore it is not one of the main ones. So-called Christian belief, like many things, may be used to attempt to control people. But anything can be abused.

Nobody has suggested that religious oppression is the only form of oppression.
There is no question that religion can be used to control though, we see it all around us.

You're brave to say that here 🤣

Yeah, you’re right. Maybe we also need to look at what goes on inside Hasidic faith schools and will never be properly investigated or exposed because of the sheer terror invoked at the mere thought of the word ‘antisemitic’ being bandied about.

I don't think it's currently the biggest, but I wouldn't be blasé about the potential for the risk to grow.

If nothing else it's being set up as white Christian culture Vs Islam, and I can see the danger there of pushing both sides into ever increasing extremism.