To think Corbyn despises Britain?

[JamesMacGill]

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts.

Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse.

Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat.

AIBU?

I believe you were sixth form politics but don't believe you were left wing. Apparently over 600k have expressed interest in his new party and it's a refreshing antidote to the right wing monotony.

Checklist:

Magic Grandpa
Jezbollah
Terrorist
Old
Sixth form politics
Antisemite
Open borders
Far left

Let me know if I've missed one.💤

No, I don’t think he hates Britain. I think he has a balanced world view and isn’t the kind of person who think “my country, right or wrong”.

Also the 7/7 bombers were Britons so why would he need to spell that out?

If the Hiroshima bombing was carried out by Japanese men I doubt he would have felt the need to mention that.

And what on earth is wrong with commemorating Hiroshima and the lives lost as well as impacted by the nuclear fallout?

I'd take open borders off the list as far as Corbyn is concerned.

He certainly seems determined to ensure this Labour government fails so if you believe, as I do, that them failing would be bad for Britain then you're not being unreasonable, OP.

Awful egotistical narcissistic person.

I’ve signed up.

Ohhhhhh Jeremee Corbyn.

So refreshing to have some around from the proper left wing.

Votef Labour all my life but Corbyn may well receive my next vote.

He certainly seems determined to ensure this Labour government fails so if you believe, as I do, that them failing would be bad for Britain then you're not being unreasonable, OP

Oh they're doing a grand job of that themselves

Agree. I supported him first time round. I was an idiot - or, being kinder to myself, hadn't yet realised what a self-worshipping liability he is.

Anyway, 'his' Labour chucked me out for believing women are female. I was already on my way out due to his anti-EU sentiment, they just sped up what was a huge decision for me at the time.

I used to rate Corbyn, but after working for quite some time in an environment which was Corbyn-adjacent, I no longer do. He's all posturing, performative stances with nothing behind it at all. He's never really grown beyond his own sixth-form politics, and is one of those backbenchers who quite enjoys knowing he can say anything he likes as he will never have to actually deliver anything.

The one time he did have a measure of power and influence, as leader if the Labour Party he got nothing of real value done. The thing I find impossible to forgive, however, is his dishonesty - he was a Leaver, but as leader was never properly honest about it, but instead just continually sabotaged the Labour Remainers. I considered this cowardly and unprincipled.

His current stance on women is also the same shallow, posturing, performative nonsense, with no substance behind it.

I'm a left-wing feminist who is interested in results. I've got no time at all for Corbyn.

@JHound 'Also the 7/7 bombers were Britons so why would he need to spell that out'.

I've never come across this view before - do you think that IRA bombers should have just been described as UK nationals, as born in Northern Ireland, so no need to explain why they were planting bombs?

Perhaps you're not identifying the militant Islamicist identity and aims of the terrorists to starve them publicity for their cause.

Just to add: on the OP's original question of whether Corbyn "hates Britain", I don't know, and I don't think it's a particularly useful question, anyway. What does "hating Britain" look like? What does the OP mean by this?

Like most politicians, I can heartily agree with some of Corbyn's policies and positions, and vehemently disagree with some others of his (not least his habit of cosying up to pretty reprehensible people). But what I find insufferable about him is the fundamentally unprincipled, slippery way he conducts himself. For example, when asked as leader to condemn antisemitism in the party - a fairly straightforward ask - he just couldn't bring himself to be plain about it, but instead took the "all lives matter" approach, which I thought weaselly and hypocritical.

I can't bear any sort of tub-thumping populism from politicians more interested in being cheered than in being honest - which is also why I can't bear the likes of Nigel Farage, either - and the prospect of a race to the bottom between Corbyn and Farage is profoundly depressing.

The OP didn't mention anti-semitism, open borders, support for Hezbollah etc.

I can see that it's exciting that JC is agaon ready to save the country (or a country at least), but can't you at least read the OP before listing the clichés you expected it to include.

As if anyone could accuse Jeremy Corbyn of anti-semitism!

Genuinely - please explain how he "sabotaged" the remainers? Given that Starmer the snake stated that there would be a second referendum knowing full well it would tank Labour's chances in GE2019 (which it did). How you can say Corbyn was dishonest given that I honestly don't know.

Corbyn was put in an impossible situation over Brexit. The huge mistake he made was not sticking to his Leave principles for wanting to leave the EU. There were some very good left wing arguments for LEXIT which the general public never heard or saw, instead everyone frothed at the mouth over the thought of leaving the EU based on what they had seen or read written by some middle class brunch eating remainer.

I like about 90% of Corbyn's politics, but would have major concerns on defence and foreign policy, and the antisemitism is disqualifying in my book.

I don't have a problem with him being a Leaver, if his position was honestly held and legitimately put forward. But it wasn't. He stated that he'd back the Labour Remain campaign, but instead constantly messed it about. MPs would spend time arranging Remain announcements and events only to have them derailed by Corbyn's personal office at the last minute. They also ignored polling and focus group evidence on message and tone, didn't bother to raise campaign finance, and deliberately buggered about with the logistics, messages and timetables of Remain campaigning. Corbyn himself, when he wasn't being merely lukewarm about Remain and negative about the EU, actively refuted that Brexit would cause any economic damage. At one point, in the most significant campaign of the decade, he swanned off on holiday. It gave very mixed messages and made an utter pigs ear of the overall Remain campaign.

I'm a Remainer, but I'd have come out with a lot more respect for Corbyn if he'd stuck to his principles and been honest about putting his efforts behind Leave, instead of dishonestly promising to back Remain and then cutting its legs out from under it.

So you think that Jezbollah will steal votes from the right??? That’s amusing.

He will probably pick up a few nut jobs from Labour, but they are already doing a pretty fine job of imploding, themselves.

Oh yes that’s another one - SC ruling, no mention of women, just straight to ‘everyone is cruel to trans people’ or something like that. I also believe he is quite misogynistic, he also has never once mentioned the victims of the grooming gangs (he did mention Gisele Pelicot though - because she’s not British presumably!)

Actually I think this is a fair comment. I like the idea of some of his views - fairer economy for everyone; social housing etc

But his foreign policy stance is so concerning I simply can’t get past it (and his deep entrenchment in gender woo woo as well).

I truly believe he would act in the interests of virtually every other country bar the UK, dressing it up as ‘making the world safer’. Sadly the premise of that relies on the notion of everyone else being genuine and wanting peace, and only the UK being a warmongering despot.

He can’t seem to wrap his head around the fact other countries can be dangerous, aggressive or unreasonable in a way that makes peaceful resolution impossible. I’m convinced he would’ve tried to negotiate with even ISIS and Russia, but not Israel - his prejudices run too deep.

Yes he’s finished Labour at the next GE, their margins are wafer thin as it is. Hello, Reform 👋🏻

Nothing, but what does it suggest when somebody who wants to lead the country commemorates every event where lives were lost on the opposing side with passion, while ignoring or writing something perfunctory about every attack Britain has endured?

It speaks for itself.

Mysoginist

Agree. His new party has been clear that Gaza is central to its platform but not as part of a broader, coherent foreign policy because they just pick and choose according to their view of where countries sit on the colonised/coloniser axis. Corbyn was a nobody in Labour until he was put forward as it was his turn to stand on the left for the leadership. He's a pathetic, unintelligent narcissist. I can't believe people are still falling for him.

I think it’s possible to see the good and bad in people. As a neighbour, I expect he’d be quite likeable. As a politician, he is stuck in a 60s/70s hard left time warp, but at least he is consistent and you can see his ideas coming a mile off. For most of his career he was deeply Euro-skeptic and voted against joining the EEC for the logical reason that you can’t have a sustainable welfare state snd porous borders. This was the Labour position at the time. The party shifted. He didn’t. He has always had a soft spot for separatist movements and organisations. He isn’t alone in that. It’s a peculiarly European desire to support the underdog that was almost certainly born out if Christian roots. He was sufficiently extreme that he caused significant numbers of life-long Labour members to leave the Labour Party when he was leader in part because he wears his heart on his sleeve. What you see is what you get. I don’t think he’s more anti-British than Hermes, who was given his role by Starmer. A lot of Starmer’s policies are Corbynesque, so I’m not convinced a Corbyn win when he ran for office would be any different. What I am sure of though is that his current party can’t win a majority for the foreseeable future. I’m not even sure he wants to win. If he the Labour whip was returned to him and he could have more influence, I think this party wouldn’t exist.

He wasn’t a nobody. He was a very well known backbench MP, proud to have voted against his party more than any other MP and to have got away with it. He was a bit of a fossil. A connection to Labour’s history, who was tolerated, but no one saw his leadership coming. That was a result of a Momentum coup. Under his leadership, Labour became Momentum. A little bit of trivia: Momentum was founded by a couple of ex-Winchester College posh boys.

I've been a member of the Labour Party since the 80s. He was a joke fringe figure. He used to turn up to a lot of demos, gave the same speech everywhere. But he didn't really do anything. He barely did any committee work, never been a shadow minister, or responsible for a bill. Even some of the causes he supported like anti apartheid and Irish nationalism were a bit wary of him because he wasnt a very effective ally. I think its a mistake to see him as a connection to Labour history. I think he is very much of his time. Old school working class Labour like my family would not see him as connected to them in any way. He's typical of a type of middle class socialist with luxury beliefs. I am confident Attlee, Bevin and that generation would have loathed his self indulgence and lack of patriotism. Apparently he's a good constituency MP. Well so he bloody well should be. Its his job.

@Genevieva his leadership was not the result of a momentum coup. Momentum was formed as a result of his leadership. His leadership was certainly accidental. Easy to look all this up.