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To think Corbyn despises Britain?

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JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 23:19

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts.

Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse.

Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat.

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JamesMacGill · 08/08/2025 10:16

Alexandra2001 · 08/08/2025 07:58

Oh yes and we never had to house any of those 200k in hotels did we? or have them cross the channel in small boats.

The 'right wing gave us Brexit and migration went from approx 200k to 1m in the final years of the Sunak Govt, many of whom were dependents, children/parents....

Only falling back to 400k under the so called "Left.... still too high imho.

But Corbyn is the problem....

Corbyn’s nothing to do with anything you’ve written so we can’t cast aspersions on him good or bad. However it’s very very very clear Corbyn would want an almost open border policy, with full asylum granted to virtually whoever lands here from any place, and rather than protecting the UK and its citizens would want to use us as a piggy bank to support his favourite regimes abroad and their peoples. He is absolutely in thrall to Islamism - even if the UK was ‘involved’ with Sudan to the extent it is in Gaza, there is no doubt in my mind that Corbyn would be nowhere near as heavily invested as he is now. He would probably post a few things and attend a march, but it wouldn’t consume him day and night and to the extent he would form a new party just to push through pro Sudanese policy.

Which is really weird as Islamism at its heart is probably the most right wing system you could ever think of.

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MethusalahsMum · 08/08/2025 10:36

'Al Jazeera'

That well known independent neutral source of journalism & content. Y'know, just like the BBC.

OVienna · 08/08/2025 10:53

I have wondered many times about this guy and his real aims and objectives...it can't be helping keeping a left of centre government in power unless he is truly delusional...he will just peel off votes. I say the same about Farage. Neither smells like they are acting on their own accord...m

CleverButScatty · 08/08/2025 13:14

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 09:24

Sultana isn’t impressive. She’s a young, extremely attractive woman who is incredibly confident but does little bar post about Gaza and how awful Britain is.

She has very little life experience (practically none actually) and is set to be a career politician who is excellent with soundbites but clueless when it comes to the complexities of running a country.

Are you suggesting that her being an attractive woman precludes her from being an effective politician? What is the relevance of her appearance?

JamesMacGill · 08/08/2025 13:16

CleverButScatty · 08/08/2025 13:14

Are you suggesting that her being an attractive woman precludes her from being an effective politician? What is the relevance of her appearance?

Yes thats clearly exactly what I'm saying, rather than the logical analysis which is that her being young and a beautiful woman adds to her charisma and appeal and makes the optics of a party led by a 76 year old man appear fresher.

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BurntBroccoli · 08/08/2025 20:45

TinyIsMyNewt · 08/08/2025 01:58

The idea that "the left" have imposed high immigration is a bit of a stretch...

It's definitely true that Tony Blair embraced immigration and multiculturalism but he is also, notably, the most centrist Labour PM there has ever been (pre Blair, Labour were immigration-skeptical). The biggest surge we've seen in net immigration was under the Tories, post-Brexit.

On a per year basis, Net Migration under Blair and Brown averaged around 200,000.

Under the Tories (Cameron, May, Johnson and Sunak) it more than doubled - closer to 425,000 per year - and it'd be closer to 500,000 if you excluded the Covid years.

You're confusing views on racism with immigration policy.

Absolutely! Net migration tripled after Brexit in 2021!

To think Corbyn despises Britain?
To think Corbyn despises Britain?
BurntBroccoli · 08/08/2025 20:48

JamesMacGill · 08/08/2025 10:16

Corbyn’s nothing to do with anything you’ve written so we can’t cast aspersions on him good or bad. However it’s very very very clear Corbyn would want an almost open border policy, with full asylum granted to virtually whoever lands here from any place, and rather than protecting the UK and its citizens would want to use us as a piggy bank to support his favourite regimes abroad and their peoples. He is absolutely in thrall to Islamism - even if the UK was ‘involved’ with Sudan to the extent it is in Gaza, there is no doubt in my mind that Corbyn would be nowhere near as heavily invested as he is now. He would probably post a few things and attend a march, but it wouldn’t consume him day and night and to the extent he would form a new party just to push through pro Sudanese policy.

Which is really weird as Islamism at its heart is probably the most right wing system you could ever think of.

We had less net migration with open borders...
People were able to come here, work, contribute, then leave. Now they stay as the process is far more difficult now.

Panterusblackish · 08/08/2025 20:54

No woman should be supporting corbyn.

He basically allowed his party to let rabid transactivists trample all over womens rights.

He's a rebel without a clue, unable to see anything positive in Britain and couldn't stop the antisemitism rampant in his party either.

His far left politics are only fit for a sixth former. They have no place in reality and if he helps split left wing voters then he will be just as responsible for Reform getting in as the odious Farage.

Panterusblackish · 08/08/2025 20:55

No woman should be supporting corbyn.

He basically allowed his party to let rabid transactivists trample all over womens rights.

He's a rebel without a clue, unable to see anything positive in Britain and couldn't stop the antisemitism rampant in his party either.

His far left politics are only fit for a sixth former. They have no place in reality and if he helps split left wing voters then he will be just as responsible for Reform getting in as the odious Farage.

TinyIsMyNewt · 08/08/2025 21:15

Trezo · 08/08/2025 09:55

I think it's good that Jeremy.Corbyn and Zarah Sultana have started a new party from the grass roots up, we need a party for the people paid for with membership, we had £millions from membership, as billionaires with their own agenda are for Labour, Conservative and Reform.

I like and many.others like the polices from 2017 2019 they are not that radical mainstream in other countries. In 2019 Corbyn got more votes than Starmer in 2024 Starmer won by default as conservatives so bad.

We need to keep to the non proliferation treaty, spending billions on weapons and not welfare.
The arms manufacturer are pushing governments to spend on weapons so that means we have to have wars to use them up then make more. So it continues

The antisemitism was a scam used by stafers in the party to bring him down. And by the MSM. See The Labour Files.

Corbyn and Zarah and the party won't let that happen this time.

As for Gaza what horrific war crimes and starvation ethnic cleansing is being used by Isreal with impunity who want all of Palestine.

It didn't all start on October 7th for decades Isreal has been taking more and more land killing Palestinians. The UK has been complicit by sending spy planes there and giving Isreal real time intelligence, arms and diplomatic cover shameful our government to be participating in the genocide of the Palestinians.

I have signed up for the new party

No, sorry - "the antisemitism thing" is very real. I was really enthused by Corbyn initially, and didn't initially give the allegations much credence but it was his defence of that "Freedom for Humanity" mural that brought it home for me.

At the time that became public, I only knew the basics of antisemitism but that's all that was needed to recognize the mural as obviously antisemitic (and you'd think Corbyn would be far more aware of the tropes given his decades of involvement in discourse re. Israel).

His office's initial response - that Corbyn was defending free speech - was more like something you'd hear from the far right.

Then, when Corbyn's response came, it lacked any real credibility - to paraphrase: "oh, whoops! I didn't really look at the mural, now I wish that I had before typing out my comment, questioning what the problem with it was!"

It reminded me, at the time, of when Trump appeared (to all reasonable eyes) to have mocked Serge Kovaleski's disability - and I don't see Corbyn's supporters willingness to accept the excuse given as being any different from the cult-like manner in which Trump supporters will believe whatever he tell them to.

The excuse would have been very dubious if it were an isolated incident but that it was part of an already existing pattern of apparent antisemitism makes it even less plausible. If you can believe that is was simply bad luck that a man who could already reasonably be accused of antisemitism, based on a number of incidents over the years, accidentally defended an antisemetic mural (the only instance I've been able to find of Corbyn defending controversial art) because he didnt bother to look at it...well, then I think you'll believe anything.

As for some of those other instances:

  • I find it hard to believe that an actual "anti-racist" would have wrote a glowing foreword, like the one Corbyn did to Hobson's Imperialism without at least critically referencing the antisemitism in it.

  • His 2013 comments about "English irony" - I do think its plausible that he was referencing specific British Zionists, rather than all British Zionists, but it is certainly open to interpretation and, either way, was racist and othering.

  • While much has been made of his calling representatives of Hamas and Hezbollah "friends", I'd be entirely prepared to accept that it was inclusive language, geared towards peace. What I found far less acceptable was his description of Hamas as being an organization dedicated to "bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region". For context - at the time, Hamas's charter included the passage "The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them…".

  • His chairing and supporting of a conference that called for the eradication of Zionism from the Labour movement (a reminder - a Zionist is, broadly, someone who believes Israel should exist)

  • His defence of prominent antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Raed Salah, who was (rightly) convicted of inciting antisemetic violence.

  • Sharing a stage with a speaker who denounced Judaism and called the Jewish community "immoral in Justice". Now, of course, sharing a stage is not in and of itself an endorsement - but Corbyn didnt incidate any issue with the language used and, at the end of the speech, gave the speaker a big smile and a pat on the back.

  • After the 2012 Sinai attack, where a group of Muslim extremists attacked an army base in Egypt, before entering Israel in stolen armored vehicles (dying in a firefight with the IDF), Corbyn went on Iranian state TV and put foward a baseless conspiracy theory that Israel was behind the attack.

There are other instances that draw criticism - and I don't think all of them are valid (particularly in isolation) but I don't think that a reasonable person who takes the time to actually examine the allegations is going to come to any conclusion other than that Jeremy Corbyn is antisemetic, and has demonstrated it on a number of occasions.

Personally, I did not want to believe him antisemetic and, were there perhaps 1 or 2 dubious incidents, or if all instances could be explained by a commitment to bringing about peace, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

Sadly, I do not believe such doubt exists.

And, to highlight, I have not even touched upon his handling and reaction to the antisemitism controversy as party leader.

Trezo · 09/08/2025 05:25

TinyIsMyNewt · 08/08/2025 21:15

No, sorry - "the antisemitism thing" is very real. I was really enthused by Corbyn initially, and didn't initially give the allegations much credence but it was his defence of that "Freedom for Humanity" mural that brought it home for me.

At the time that became public, I only knew the basics of antisemitism but that's all that was needed to recognize the mural as obviously antisemitic (and you'd think Corbyn would be far more aware of the tropes given his decades of involvement in discourse re. Israel).

His office's initial response - that Corbyn was defending free speech - was more like something you'd hear from the far right.

Then, when Corbyn's response came, it lacked any real credibility - to paraphrase: "oh, whoops! I didn't really look at the mural, now I wish that I had before typing out my comment, questioning what the problem with it was!"

It reminded me, at the time, of when Trump appeared (to all reasonable eyes) to have mocked Serge Kovaleski's disability - and I don't see Corbyn's supporters willingness to accept the excuse given as being any different from the cult-like manner in which Trump supporters will believe whatever he tell them to.

The excuse would have been very dubious if it were an isolated incident but that it was part of an already existing pattern of apparent antisemitism makes it even less plausible. If you can believe that is was simply bad luck that a man who could already reasonably be accused of antisemitism, based on a number of incidents over the years, accidentally defended an antisemetic mural (the only instance I've been able to find of Corbyn defending controversial art) because he didnt bother to look at it...well, then I think you'll believe anything.

As for some of those other instances:

  • I find it hard to believe that an actual "anti-racist" would have wrote a glowing foreword, like the one Corbyn did to Hobson's Imperialism without at least critically referencing the antisemitism in it.

  • His 2013 comments about "English irony" - I do think its plausible that he was referencing specific British Zionists, rather than all British Zionists, but it is certainly open to interpretation and, either way, was racist and othering.

  • While much has been made of his calling representatives of Hamas and Hezbollah "friends", I'd be entirely prepared to accept that it was inclusive language, geared towards peace. What I found far less acceptable was his description of Hamas as being an organization dedicated to "bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region". For context - at the time, Hamas's charter included the passage "The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them…".

  • His chairing and supporting of a conference that called for the eradication of Zionism from the Labour movement (a reminder - a Zionist is, broadly, someone who believes Israel should exist)

  • His defence of prominent antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Raed Salah, who was (rightly) convicted of inciting antisemetic violence.

  • Sharing a stage with a speaker who denounced Judaism and called the Jewish community "immoral in Justice". Now, of course, sharing a stage is not in and of itself an endorsement - but Corbyn didnt incidate any issue with the language used and, at the end of the speech, gave the speaker a big smile and a pat on the back.

  • After the 2012 Sinai attack, where a group of Muslim extremists attacked an army base in Egypt, before entering Israel in stolen armored vehicles (dying in a firefight with the IDF), Corbyn went on Iranian state TV and put foward a baseless conspiracy theory that Israel was behind the attack.

There are other instances that draw criticism - and I don't think all of them are valid (particularly in isolation) but I don't think that a reasonable person who takes the time to actually examine the allegations is going to come to any conclusion other than that Jeremy Corbyn is antisemetic, and has demonstrated it on a number of occasions.

Personally, I did not want to believe him antisemetic and, were there perhaps 1 or 2 dubious incidents, or if all instances could be explained by a commitment to bringing about peace, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

Sadly, I do not believe such doubt exists.

And, to highlight, I have not even touched upon his handling and reaction to the antisemitism controversy as party leader.

Jeremy Corbyn is not anit semitic he has been a life long campaigner against all forms of racism. And won a peace award.

It was a scam.

TinyIsMyNewt · 09/08/2025 21:42

Trezo · 09/08/2025 05:25

Jeremy Corbyn is not anit semitic he has been a life long campaigner against all forms of racism. And won a peace award.

It was a scam.

Who scammed him into saying and doing so many antisemetic things, then?

I was very enthused for Corbyn initially, voted for him in 2017, and brushed off the allegations in the same manner that you're doing now.

But he clearly has a massive blindspot when it comes to antisemitism (as many on the left, particularly in the UK, seem to), as his own words and actions have repeatedly demonstrated

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