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To think Corbyn despises Britain?

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JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 23:19

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts.

Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse.

Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat.

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Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 10:46

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 10:35

Btw this article is mainly about his treatment of his wives, not debts

Mmmmmmm I'm looking for your thread on Boris Johnson and how he treats women and his own 8 plus children....

I guess not, seems to be a right wing thing... Double standards...

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 10:48

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 10:46

Mmmmmmm I'm looking for your thread on Boris Johnson and how he treats women and his own 8 plus children....

I guess not, seems to be a right wing thing... Double standards...

I mean this is a thread about Jeremy Corbyn. It is unfortunate that there are many men in politics that treat their families badly but that doesn’t excuse any of them

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 10:48

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 10:46

Mmmmmmm I'm looking for your thread on Boris Johnson and how he treats women and his own 8 plus children....

I guess not, seems to be a right wing thing... Double standards...

Why? Is Boris also setting up a new political party? Is he seeking reelection?

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LandRites · 07/08/2025 10:49

When I was a teen, in the 1980s north of England, I kicked about with a crowd of socialist, vegetarian, anti-nuclear folk. They were very supportive of the Labour movement, and the unions as the miners' strike was at its apex.

The biggest thrill for some of them, though, was being part of Labour's Militant Tendency and Socialist Action whose main aim was undermining the Labour party. I realised then that Labour had a double burden of lefter-wing activists and unions who would seemingly rather have a Tory government than a moderate Labour one.

One flashy group of Labour militants who saw themselves as the local heroes bringing down Thatcher, included Livingstone, Hatton and - very much bringing up the rear - Corbyn. Corbyn was considered a solid follower but not bright, another middle-class grammar-school boy who had chosen left-wing politics as part of his identity.

Of course they loathed Britain and England. In their minds, British colonial overlords still sought to rule the world, aided by international bankers. British police only existed to beat up Black and gay citizens. The working-class were addled by television and consumer goods. For the anti-Labour Labour activists, destroying the idea of stuffy old 'Britain' was important to shore up their politics but also their sense of themselves.

It taught me a lot about social class because so few of these activists were of the 'respectable working class' I came from. They were of a university-educated middle-class whose tear-it-down political activism had no real impact on their own lucrative futures, or on their families. They came from the tree-lined Victorian avenues on the west side of town, temporarily decorated with peace posters and serving Nicaraguan coffee.

Some of them were lovely, and still are - having reverted to their more conventional middle-class / Methodist / reformist roots. Some of them were the sneering, ideologically bull-headed people who have merrily undermined the Labour party, the working-class, the nation-state and women's rights ever since.

Corbyn is, I guess, last man standing from that era. I hope he enjoys his new democratically-named party and has dug his 'IRA-PLO forever' T- shirt out of the cupboard.

bluesky9 · 07/08/2025 10:53

@LandRites spot on. I was an active Labour activist and remember Corbyn from the days of the great Chris Mullen (sp?) who actually did great things. Corbyn was a bystander who hung on the coat tails of genuine, principled politicians, said a lot and did nothing

ArcheryAnnie · 07/08/2025 11:18

zerofeeling · 07/08/2025 10:28

For the first I don't what you mean by 'dishonesty re Brexit' for the second I think he was the victim of a smear campaign whose aim was to force him to denounce any criticism of Israel, which he refused to do.

If you've read this thread (it isn't long), then you will have already seen the posts by me and others about how Corbyn, despite being a Leaver, promised as Labour leader to back the Remain campaign, but did no such thing. Instead he undermined and sabotaged Remain, thus being true neither to his Leave principles or his Remain promises. It was both cowardly and dishonest.

newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 11:36

suddenly Corbyn is looking a bit of a threat again and suddenly everyone is back to savaging him again.

orangeblosssom · 07/08/2025 11:44

I don’t agree with you; he doesn’t despise Britain. I’m excited for a proper left wing party.

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 11:45

orangeblosssom · 07/08/2025 11:44

I don’t agree with you; he doesn’t despise Britain. I’m excited for a proper left wing party.

See I find this interesting as compared to the countries Corbyn doggedly supporters, the UK is ‘very lefty’. Does anyone really believe it can be ‘lefty’ to support and defends countries such as Iran who engage in the most hideous human rights abuses under a theocratic regime?

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SharonEllis · 07/08/2025 11:51

bluesky9 · 07/08/2025 10:53

@LandRites spot on. I was an active Labour activist and remember Corbyn from the days of the great Chris Mullen (sp?) who actually did great things. Corbyn was a bystander who hung on the coat tails of genuine, principled politicians, said a lot and did nothing

Exactly this! A lot of Corbyn supporters were new to the party and were fed the line that he had some sort of authentic party pedigree. Those of us who were there remember he was always a sideshow.

MyNameIsX · 07/08/2025 12:19

Three people have been charged with terror offences after allegedly showing support for Palestine Action, Scotland Yard has said.

The two women and a man, who were arrested at a demonstration on July 5, have been charged under the Terrorism Act 2000 and are due to appear in court next month.

They are the first people to be charged with declaring support for Palestine Action, which was proscribed as a terror organisation in Junefollowing an alleged attack by supporters at RAF Brize Norton.

The charges come just two days before a mass rally is planned in central London. More than 500 people are expected to defy the terror laws by openly declaring their support for Palestine Action.

Have that, Jezza.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 12:45

newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 11:36

suddenly Corbyn is looking a bit of a threat again and suddenly everyone is back to savaging him again.

He’s not remotely a threat. He’s a metaphorically toothless old man who doesn’t recognise when it’s time to go. He has a lot in common with Biden in that respect.

bluesky9 · 07/08/2025 12:45

@SharonEllisyep. I was active in the days of Kinnock, Smith, Foot, Brown etc and saw huge passion and integrity. I was at Hull Uni when Tom Watson and others rose high in the party. I said then, and stand by it now that career politicians were going to destroy public life. Corbyn was one of them, then Johnson took the mantle and utterly debased public service

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 12:46

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 12:45

He’s not remotely a threat. He’s a metaphorically toothless old man who doesn’t recognise when it’s time to go. He has a lot in common with Biden in that respect.

Agreed. I’m surprised for somebody so wedded to representation etc he’s been happy to block a prominent seat as a straight white man for many decades now.

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newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 13:01

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 12:45

He’s not remotely a threat. He’s a metaphorically toothless old man who doesn’t recognise when it’s time to go. He has a lot in common with Biden in that respect.

but people on this thread seem to be bothered enough to be ripping him apart... yet again

MyNameIsX · 07/08/2025 13:03

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 12:45

He’s not remotely a threat. He’s a metaphorically toothless old man who doesn’t recognise when it’s time to go. He has a lot in common with Biden in that respect.

Why so quick to dismiss?

These are strange times - Labour has already demonstrated that fault lines remain. Who would bet against Corbyn dragging some policy to the left?

There’s otherwise no meaningful parallel with Biden, unless one is anti geriatric white males, of course?

newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 13:09

if he were "irrelevant" and "toothless" then I don't honestly think people on this thread would be frothing at the mouth quite so much.

EasternStandard · 07/08/2025 13:09

newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 13:01

but people on this thread seem to be bothered enough to be ripping him apart... yet again

Yes as he’ll likely take some votes.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 13:44

newposteronthewall · 07/08/2025 13:01

but people on this thread seem to be bothered enough to be ripping him apart... yet again

People on MN will rip politicians apart on any pretext. Or, more often, none.

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 13:47

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 10:48

Why? Is Boris also setting up a new political party? Is he seeking reelection?

It goes to show your motivations doesn't it? dressed up as "concern" for how politicians treat their wives.

Any excuse not criticise a Tory.

6h form left wing? my arse!!

MyNameIsX · 07/08/2025 13:48

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 13:44

People on MN will rip politicians apart on any pretext. Or, more often, none.

More often than not, with a solid pretext I would suggest…

Labour’s homelessness minister allegedly evicted four tenants from her London townhouse before increasing the rent by hundreds of pounds.

Rushanara Ali, who has previously vowed to “challenge unreasonable rent increases”, allegedly relisted the property for an extra £700 per month after telling her tenants their lease would not be renewed.

tobee · 07/08/2025 13:48

He's not a serious person.

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 13:49

MyNameIsX · 07/08/2025 13:48

More often than not, with a solid pretext I would suggest…

Labour’s homelessness minister allegedly evicted four tenants from her London townhouse before increasing the rent by hundreds of pounds.

Rushanara Ali, who has previously vowed to “challenge unreasonable rent increases”, allegedly relisted the property for an extra £700 per month after telling her tenants their lease would not be renewed.

Yes been ripped apart on another thread by, in your opinion, Labour supporting posters.

She is a disgrace and should be sacked.

DiscoBob · 07/08/2025 13:50

No I don't think that at all.

You claim you used to like Corbyn and no longer do so. Well that's your choice.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 13:51

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 13:49

Yes been ripped apart on another thread by, in your opinion, Labour supporting posters.

She is a disgrace and should be sacked.

She should absolutely be sacked. I’m outraged by her hypocrisy.