Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

You don't hate London or diverse communities? 😃

You've still not said why you think living near a mosque or migrant hostel is bad.

Do you want to give it a go?

Yes I have read it and it’s still obvious that you corrected someone in a condescending manor and got it wrong. It’s quite satisfying when that happens, especially when someone is particularly self righteous.

Especially in the north. Genocide is probably an accurate word ...

Records from the Domesday Book of 1086 suggest that as much as 75% of the population could have died or never returned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

Like I say, it’s an interesting character quirk. You don’t actually need other people to have an argument with, its quite fascinating behaviour.

Why do you hate Scotty dogs? They’re lovely loyal animals to have as pets.

These are the same people who had they been unlucky enough to be born in South Sudan apparently would have stayed put and tolerated being starved/shot/press-ganged into the military, rather than take a chance to try to make a safe life in the UK or some other Western country.

This nonsense about the "luck" of where you were born.

We have ancestors.

And yes we have experienced that within our own borders. We fought with each other exactly how you describe for centuries before we managed to resolve it and become the United Kingdom. There was no RNLI to taxi us into a hotel.

The constant trivialisation and one upping your grievances.

I'm finding it a bit of a "micro aggression".

Educate yourself.

God almighty.

Have a nice little round about racism stab there why don't you.
This whole thread is about denigrating us so whatever you do don't miss an opportunity.

Well, since you're correcting me now in a condescending way, may I point out that the word you're looking for here is 'manner'?

I grew up in a town with a very large Muslim population and many Poles. In fact the Poliish Club was not far from my house. There was also many other nationalities.

I don't ever remember there being no go areas or enclaves or fears about going to certain parts of town. Sure there were grumbles but nothing like what you describe.

So where are these places that people who were born here are now scared to go to? I really don't like vague generalizations.

I'm not denigrating you. You are however denigrating people who don't have a 1000 year lineage in the UK. I was just wondering why you felt the need to do that. Me, I'm Dutch but there's Friesian in my lineage, which traces back to the Vikings, and I'm also a very small part Indonesian, local minor royalty as it happens. But that doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, it's just something that happened through geographical happenstance. It really isn't anything to be proud of.

My mind went straight to Audrey fforbes-Hamilton. Ironic, being as that was a comedy about upstart immigrants coming over here and upsetting the English heritage-apple cart. They arrived in condescending manor and got a lot of things wrong too.

Yes you may, if you can bring yourself to admit that the pp was correct in why Normans are called Normans. Something tells me you’ll find that difficult to do.

Don't be silly. Of course that pp was correct. My initial response, which is clearly what you're on and on and on about was insufficiently clear, hence the edit. I don't see why this bothers you do much, but sure. She was right, I was wrong, I corrected myself, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. That do you?

That’s will do me, but it wasn’t that your initial response wasn’t clear. It was just a bit daft. Thanks for admitting it though, I’m pleasantly surprised.

In true MN style, this thread went a bit bonkers didn't it 🤣

To get back to the topic of the OP, is anyone concerned about the demo planned for Saturday in London and the threats to overwhelm the police? (I know it's different, but older readers will remember Keith Blakelock...)

Is there one planned? Obviously well publicised, lol others planned, ie is it coordinated? That's the problem. In isolation the twats can be controlled.

I lived in Bexley for several years in the 80’s and 90’s. Moved North to do Nurse training (left nursing though once I’d completed my training) and stayed here as my family also moved back. I go back and visit friends who are scattered all over London, very occasionally, ie once or twice a year, and it’s just so different to how I remember it. Maybe I note the difference more as I see the gradual change each time I go back. I used to love it.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mass-pro-palestine-action-protest-planned-for-london-this-weekend-could-test-met-to-the-limit/ar-AA1JRo5e

I’ve lived in London many years ago - 80s and 90s so I’m not commenting on somewhere I’ve never lived. I used to love living in London. Moved North and missed it massively at first. Then as I returned to visit friends I noticed how the whole vibe had changed. It used to be very community orientated. I’d always felt relatively safe, or at least no more in danger than anywhere else in the UK. Two friends who still live there have both been mugged in the last 12 months. One was threatened with a knife. The place is changing beyond recognition I’m afraid.

Livelovebehappy, it depends on the area and areas change. I've always lived in London and have seen many changes in my 75 years. There have always been no go areas, I remember my ium warning me about places when I was a youngster (which I of course investigated for myself when I was old enough). Some have become trendy, gentrified, expensive since then and other areas, once considered highly desirable, are now far less so.

Central London remains much the same but I think of that as a place to work, not live (though would have loved to live there).

Where I live is residential, leafy, has a very low crime rate and plenty of other districts are the same, some are more interesting and expensive than others. Where crime occurs it's usually on the edge of these towns.

Nobody should generalise about London because it is huge.

I love London and would not live anywhere else but I am choosy about where I live.

This thread is petering out in the usual way of such threads, with people arguing about the meaning of words!
I noticed that a few posters are taking pride in their heritage as descendants of people who have lived in the UK for a long time. Others have correctly pointed out that there have been for thousands of years, waves of warlike invaders, traders, economic migrants and refugees. One eighth of my own genes is from people who arrived here in not small but probably middle sized boats, escaping famine conditions in County Cork, Ireland, in the mid nineteenth century. They didn’t choose to leave, they had to leave or die.
On arrival, English wasn’t their first language. Irish arriving here were despised and shunned and I’m told that the lives of my family were pretty miserable for the first few decades till they started talking proper English, attending the local C of E church, naming their children English names and showing that they were useful to the local economy by labouring as navvies and agricultural workers. Still, their Irish name ensured that they experienced prejudice well into the mid twentieth century.
“We” are all immigrants somewhere and at some time. In fact, who is “we”? And who is “they”? We all live on a tiny planet, isolated in space, and we are possibly the only creatures in the universe who are capable of complex thought and insight into our own existence and condition. Is it possible that we could be capable as a species of standing back, taking a deep breath and decide to stop dividing ourselves into “we” and “they” and instead set out to work together to find solutions to the huge problems facing all of us?

I totally agree @Flamingfeline, but I do have concerns about the potential for radical Islam to become deeply embedded in our society without us even noticing. Especially as distant controllers can just click their fingers to trigger local action in other countries, as has happened with France (e.g. the Arras stabbings).

Just to reiterate: I have nothing against Islam itself. The proponents of radical Islam violate the Quran and must be a deep embarrassment to peaceful Muslims who just want to integrate.

But what do we do about this? We can't just pretend it's not a threat. Radical Islam is acknowledged as the single greatest threat to UK security. The first "pro-Palestinian" demo on 14 October was organised on 7 October as the atrocities in Israel were still happening. I know a lot of people sincerely think they are marching for "peace" but who is really pulling the strings?

And what is going to happen on Saturday in London? Time will tell, but I do feel anxious about it.

Somebody posted their heritage in response to the unoriginal ‘we are all immigrants anyway’ justification for mass immigration. This is just going in a circle.

56% of people cite migration as their biggest concern and electoral calculus opinion poll predictions put Reform as an 83% chance of being the next Government. Its way passed ‘we’re all
immigrants’ and ‘oh you nasty racist’ keeping people quiet anymore about the problems mass immigration has caused and will cause. People are going to have their say on this in the next few years, I think supporters of mass immigration should come up with a positive argument and stop trying to silence discussion with lame meaningless catch phrases.

No

All of this.

Yes I'm concerned and I remember him well poor man.