Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

It is absurd. My name goes back to the first clans who were known tribes before the clans started so longer than a thousand years.

We were spread across Scotland and Northumbria where I was born. Not by chance as some say.

Normans are called Norman because they too are from the North and were Scandinavians who came via settling in France.

They didn't populate the North of England anyway.

Not mongrels thanks.

I quoted a poster who did mock Christianity you can scroll back. I asked if people felt comfortable doing the same to Islam, a few said yes. I think it would be deleted though.

Personally I tend to avoid mocking religions.

I don’t mind addressing some of the major issues however, particularly on the treatment of women and girls, and dc generally.

Normans are called Norman because they too are from the North and were Scandinavians who came via settling in France.

Normans are called Normans because they came from Normandy. They did indeed have ancestral Viking roots. But that doesn't make them not invaders from the POV of a Saxon local.

….and why is it called Normandy? 🙄

Neither do I. Pretty much all the major world religions have issues when it comes to the treatment of women and girls. Wasn't that long ago that I saw a horrific FB post from one of those Evangelical Christian couples talking gleefully about the time when they'll be spanking their now 6 month old baby. Nice.

Read my paragraph. I have addressed this. 🙄

and do you think all Muslims behave that way?

That might be the case but I agree with @Nasrineon earlier post on which countries are easier for women.

Ha ha, you said Normans are called Normans because they came from Normandy.
in response to :
Normans are called Norman because they too are from the North and were Scandinavians who came via settling in France.

So why was it called Normandy?

Well, that's a movable feast. Let's talk about that in 18 months' time when the Trump administration's oppression of women has really started to kick in, and we have a majority Christian country Talibanising itself. Also Poland hasn't exactly been kind to women lately.

The problem is religion. All religions. They all oppress women. That's a feature, not a bug.

Normans are called Normans because they came from Normandy. They did indeed have ancestral Viking roots.

Did you miss the bit I have just pasted in bold? Normandy. A place settled originally by Norsemen, i.e. Vikings. Who were therefore the invaders at the time, and whose descendants then went on to invade Britain. You really can't argue that this isn't an island populated by waves of forcible invasion, as opposed to migration (unless we're getting small gunboats now).

This is my take but others may feel differently. Whether it’s Poland, US or other it’s up to them. But for me it’s an easy one between these two.

That’s to the pp on those countries.

Say what you will about the Normans, they did abolish slavery, which the Saxons practised as we all know.

You literally just contradicted someone who said
Normans are called Norman because they too are from the North and were Scandinavians who came via settling in France.
by saying Normans are called Normans because they came from Normandy.

Why is it called Normandy?

The blue was a herb which used as a body paint. It has healing properties which is why it was worn in battle when men and women fought naked. They drew pictures, tattoos all over their bodies which is where the Pictish name comes from. When we met the Romans they used the Roman word for picture to write about us.

Not mixed race. We are still around, one of the largest clans.
And tattoos are extremely popular again.

How many people you think "traveled through many lands"?

So it's all still there, you're willing to acknowledge? It's not been 'destroyed' by brown people?

"London, Birmingham, Manchester and many other cities have experienced a massive decline in safety and social cohesion which has coincided with an explosion in immigration."

Homicide rates in the UK have been generally declining since a high in the early 2000's.

Re: 'social cohesion' - I've lived in a multicultural part of London since 1997. What might the 'decline in social cohesion' look like in my community? I'm struggling to understand what you mean.

Because the Nor'men settled there and it be came Normandy, land of the Norse men, before their foray into England.

It's named after them, same as England is named after Angles.

London, Birmingham, Manchester and many other cities have experienced a massive decline in safety and social cohesion which has coincided with an explosion in immigration.

There’s also been a massive cut in services like the police, social services and prison sentences. I would have never imagined a world where dangerous people like rapists and child abuse image distributors wouldn’t end up in prison but here we are.
Shoplifting may seem like a minor crime but the lack of resources to tackle it has created a crappy environment for workers and shoppers .

Correct. In other words: Normans are called Norman because they too are from the North and were Scandinavians who came via settling in France.

I don't think many people are arguing for open borders, including on the left.

But I see a lot of people on social media at the moment making comments that they want to leave the UK because it's completely intolerable under Starmer, and being destroyed by asylum seekers.

These are the same people who had they been unlucky enough to be born in South Sudan apparently would have stayed put and tolerated being starved/shot/press-ganged into the military, rather than take a chance to try to make a safe life in the UK or some other Western country.

Out of interest, would you have turned away Jews in WW2, as many Brits wanted to? The UK at the time was under colossal economic strain, had a housing crisis and was struggling to feed its citizens. (BTW, did you know the reason children came alone on the 'Kinder Transport' was because British citizens objected to letting families in. The children mostly weren't initially orphans, their parents were alive but mostly not offered refuge along with their children. Most of the parents later died in the camps).

A positive note had to be shat on didn't it. Irresistible.

You keep saying things like ‘destroyed by brown people’ , ‘why do you hate London’ and then arguing against it like someone else said it. It’s a very interesting and, I think, quite charming character quirk. Does your DH work long hours?

You've not read my updated post, have you?

The point I was making, before I realised it was insufficiently clear and edited it, was that from the POV of a Saxon, the Normans were violent invaders.

Did you miss this: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

So correct me if I'm wrong, you take some pride in being part of an ancient tribe, and you think that this makes you superior to other human beings who do not have such lengty lineages.

Why is that? I mean, the operative word here is surely 'human being'? I'm not particularly proud of being Dutch.