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Muslim women who dress modestly...

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TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 18:49

If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

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PreciousMomentsHun · 12/07/2025 21:57

Quite apart from the hygiene and the huge walloping great drowning risk, how are these women getting their vitamin D?

And yy to the double standards. I hate to see it when the husband is blithely poncing around in shorts and a t shirt or jeans, and the woman is following covered head to foot, niqab and all. At that point, it seems like fetish gear. "Look at me, being dominated by this man."

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:58

PollyCreo · 12/07/2025 21:56

Yes. I don't agree that women should have to cover their bodies on the beach or at the gym.

They shouldn't have to.
It's fine if they've chosen to.
Clothing doesn't define modesty, or any other character trait. 😬

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:58

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:56

I'm really not, but whatever makes you feel better. ✌️

It doesn’t make me feel better. It’s just that you really are.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:59

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:58

It doesn’t make me feel better. It’s just that you really are.

Again, I'm not.
I'm also not writing ridiculously judgmental posts about women who cover their hair/body but also e joy make up and nice nails. 🫣
Stop derailing the thread. 😬

TheHazelCritic · 12/07/2025 21:59

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:57

I do agree with this. Lots of very swaddled Muslim girls wear heaps of make up and drawn on eyebrows, stick on nails, the lot. Doesn't look modest, looks confused.

i saw a muslin girl all covered up the other day faint on the tube, or collapse, the older woman, less covered, held her up as much as she could, sitting on the floor in a very crowded tube station. It was super hot and they weren’t carrying water. The girl must have been practically expiring in there, cloth tied right round her throat and pinned to her scalp.

Pinned to her scalp 😂

Sherr33 · 12/07/2025 22:00

Im a Muslim female. 35 years old. As a child I grew up to love my religion. Honestly. I used to pray at such a young age. I chose to go to boarding school at age 11. And I wore full abaya/niqaab. Post 9/11 I did get some pretty shitty comments but it didnt matter to me. Plus I didnt really understand why at that age people said what they said. Anyways I wore the full works till the age of 19 and then I just wore normal clothes but with my scarf on. I remember my dad being quite shocked when I did this. Haha. But again it was my choice. Fast forward to the age of 23 where even though I wore a scarf here in the UK when we went on our family holiday and it was scorching hot I was in a tankini and shorts so I could jump in and out the pool without being uncomfortable in my wet clothes. Then fast forward age 28 when I stopped wearing my scarf altogether. I had flare up psoriasis and just need my scalp to breathe. For a year or two it was on and off with my scarf. And then I just stopped. Unless im going into a mosque or to the graveyard. I am mindful of how I dress more in the uk than abroad. I feel so awkwardly exposed here. It's just weird. Even in my t shirt and jeans. But abroad im in my bikini and honestly so comfortable. My point is as a Muslim woman I chose. I know my husband would much prefer if I wore less revealing clothes but no I like to wear them. My choice. I know what my religion says but im at this point in my life where what I do is between me and God. Im not harming anyone, I havent killed or robbed or committed a heinous crime. And I hope i continue to enjoy my life and become a better Muslim. Think this went off topic here hahahahha. Gosh I just wish people wouldn't be so ignorant.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 12/07/2025 22:00

PassingStranger · 12/07/2025 21:41

What a load of.nonsense having to keep yourself covered up.

Do the men do it, no, so why should the women.
About time they all started fighting back against this opression.
Who the hell do people/religions think they are making up these rules about what a woman should/shouldn't do.
If it's hot, uncover your body and let the air get to.it. Be comfortable.

Boils my piss all this. Women are not second class citizens we are equal to men.

And what gives you the right to tell anyone "uncover your body and let the air get to it"? I won't because I don't want to. I wear long black clothing because I choose to.

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 22:01

DreamTheMoors · 12/07/2025 21:52

This makes me think of a photo I saw a couple of years ago.
It was a split screen of Iran - before and after the Ayatollah, Like 1979 & 2022, or close to it.
The 1979 photo showed young women wearing miniskirts & heels or boots and they had long, beautiful hair - they were laughing and smiling and I believe they were holding books. The 2022 photo showed them covered from head to toe. I also read that they were beaten and even killed if any part of their hair showed. Horrifying.
It was a shock to see the difference.

Yes I was going to talk about pre revolution Iran as an example of a Muslim country that doesnt oppress women (well no more than the average secular country around the world), when someone further back asked that question.

MyUmberSeal · 12/07/2025 22:01

Sherr33 · 12/07/2025 22:00

Im a Muslim female. 35 years old. As a child I grew up to love my religion. Honestly. I used to pray at such a young age. I chose to go to boarding school at age 11. And I wore full abaya/niqaab. Post 9/11 I did get some pretty shitty comments but it didnt matter to me. Plus I didnt really understand why at that age people said what they said. Anyways I wore the full works till the age of 19 and then I just wore normal clothes but with my scarf on. I remember my dad being quite shocked when I did this. Haha. But again it was my choice. Fast forward to the age of 23 where even though I wore a scarf here in the UK when we went on our family holiday and it was scorching hot I was in a tankini and shorts so I could jump in and out the pool without being uncomfortable in my wet clothes. Then fast forward age 28 when I stopped wearing my scarf altogether. I had flare up psoriasis and just need my scalp to breathe. For a year or two it was on and off with my scarf. And then I just stopped. Unless im going into a mosque or to the graveyard. I am mindful of how I dress more in the uk than abroad. I feel so awkwardly exposed here. It's just weird. Even in my t shirt and jeans. But abroad im in my bikini and honestly so comfortable. My point is as a Muslim woman I chose. I know my husband would much prefer if I wore less revealing clothes but no I like to wear them. My choice. I know what my religion says but im at this point in my life where what I do is between me and God. Im not harming anyone, I havent killed or robbed or committed a heinous crime. And I hope i continue to enjoy my life and become a better Muslim. Think this went off topic here hahahahha. Gosh I just wish people wouldn't be so ignorant.

Great post 🫶

PassingStranger · 12/07/2025 22:03

RoyalCorgi · 12/07/2025 20:37

You know what? I'd much prefer to chat to someone who is curious about other people and their lives. I think people who have no interest in other people's religions, or points of view, or values, are quite extraordinarily boring.

Why the hell should be people be interested in religión.

It's all unproven hearsay. Not fact.

More interesting to talk about scientifically proven fact.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 22:03

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 21:56

I disagree. Wear arseless chaps down your street, then see if you feel the same.

Always the ridiculous comparison. 🫣

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 22:03

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:38

Curious and nosy aren't the same.

Well, they are. Only the second word has judgement attached to it.

modestsometimes · 12/07/2025 22:04

PollyCreo · 12/07/2025 19:11

I live in a hot country with a big Muslim population (Kurdish Syrians). The men dive into the sea with their children and have a great time, the wives stand on the beach covered from head to toe in black and look on anxiously.

Quite honestly would consider this the favourable option. DC want to have fun. I am knackered and don't want too show my body. Dread visits to sea which is only one hour away from us, meaning that i have no excuses not to take dc. Hire responsible man to have fun in sea with kids and keep them in check. If possible he has lifeguard qualifiations but if not must be a good swimmer and strict. I stand on shore covered up. I wear swimsuit which covers as much as possible of my body underneath my top layer and am ready to throw off the top layer and dive in if anyone needs help.

Other people think: poor woman
I think: thank god i don't have to go in, use energy I don't have and get clocked by random men

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 22:04

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/07/2025 21:52

How do you know which it is?

Why would it be any of your business?

What gives you the right to control it instead?

Are you sniffing something?

I didnt say it was my business and I didnt say or imply or want to control what you or anyone wears. What on earth are you talking about?

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 22:04

Rachie1973 · 12/07/2025 21:57

You’re being a bit odd. I have psoriasis and people, particularly kids so about it all the time.

Questions are how we learn! If OP asked what size burkini she wears I think maybe it would be. Bit rude, but just asking questions to educate herself isn’t offensive.

No idea what your condition has to do with judging muslim/covered women tbh.

GabriellaMontez · 12/07/2025 22:05

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:59

Again, I'm not.
I'm also not writing ridiculously judgmental posts about women who cover their hair/body but also e joy make up and nice nails. 🫣
Stop derailing the thread. 😬

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Still here judging everyone...

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 22:06

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MumWifeOther · 12/07/2025 22:07

DreamTheMoors · 12/07/2025 21:52

This makes me think of a photo I saw a couple of years ago.
It was a split screen of Iran - before and after the Ayatollah, Like 1979 & 2022, or close to it.
The 1979 photo showed young women wearing miniskirts & heels or boots and they had long, beautiful hair - they were laughing and smiling and I believe they were holding books. The 2022 photo showed them covered from head to toe. I also read that they were beaten and even killed if any part of their hair showed. Horrifying.
It was a shock to see the difference.

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. First of all, the Shah was a puppet propped up by foreign powers. Ever heard of SAVAK? It was a brutal intelligence agency trained by the CIA and Mossad, used to silence dissent and push a Western agenda, including discouraging the hijab and Islamic clothing. I’m not here to give you a full history lesson, but here’s one fact: Iranian women are highly educated and make up around 60% of university students today. While many still dress modestly in public, more and more are choosing not to wear the hijab, reclaiming that choice for themselves.

And let’s be clear: Iran is not some backward country. It has a rich cultural, scientific, and intellectual legacy. Despite decades of sanctions and political isolation, its people, especially women, continue to push forward with strength, resilience, and vision.

Educate yourself, like the women in Iran.

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 22:07

TheHazelCritic · 12/07/2025 21:55

I wonder how people think that boots and miniskirt were normal clothes in Iran. You know they were a fashion imported by America, and women were actually forbidden from covering up? And many chose to stay home rather than go out uncovered?
Did you think miniskirts were irans traditional clothing?

Mini skirts arent any country's traditional clothing, they were 'invented' in the 60s

In the UK by the way of course.

The 'america' narrative was what did for the Shah, the religious extremists felt he was too much in bed with them and the rest is history as they say.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 22:09

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 22:03

Well, they are. Only the second word has judgement attached to it.

Yep, just look at some of the judgmental replies on this thread and you might see why I was concerned.
I'm an atheist and I hate the thought of any woman being oppressed, but as long as a women is dressed in a safe/hygienic way then way it's really none of my business how or why she swims or not.

modestsometimes · 12/07/2025 22:09

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 22:01

Yes I was going to talk about pre revolution Iran as an example of a Muslim country that doesnt oppress women (well no more than the average secular country around the world), when someone further back asked that question.

If you search for videos on youtube of Iran day to day, basically people walking around streets and markets filming, there are plenty showing women with hair flowing free and not dressed in religious clothing.

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 22:09

CoubousAndTourmalet · 12/07/2025 22:00

And what gives you the right to tell anyone "uncover your body and let the air get to it"? I won't because I don't want to. I wear long black clothing because I choose to.

Well said. She is dictating what women should and shouldn't do, not her call.

DreamTheMoors · 12/07/2025 22:09

TheHazelCritic · 12/07/2025 21:55

I wonder how people think that boots and miniskirt were normal clothes in Iran. You know they were a fashion imported by America, and women were actually forbidden from covering up? And many chose to stay home rather than go out uncovered?
Did you think miniskirts were irans traditional clothing?

It was a photo, describing life in Iran in 1979 and 2022 — as I said, before and after the Ayatollah.
A photo.
A snapshot.
That’s what I saw.
I’m no expert. I never claimed to be.
And that fashion originated in the UK - in London, to be precise. In the 60s.
You have a lovely rest of your day.

Thatslife234 · 12/07/2025 22:09

I attended an outdoor water pool today. I noticed the women who were dressed very modest had leggings on, with a long dress along with a head scarf.

I imagine they organise themselves OP as this is pretty much the norm for some anyway.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 22:10

GabriellaMontez · 12/07/2025 22:05

Still here judging everyone...

Still here, pointing out the judgemental attitudes. HTH