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Muslim women who dress modestly...

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TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 18:49

If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

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soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 21:49

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/07/2025 21:11

What about my long sleeved maxi dresses? They cover as much. How about when I wear something in the water that covers my body from the neck down - am I being a religious extremist, am I comfortable that way, am I covering Psoriasis, did I forget to shave, am I avoiding skin cancer or sunburn or is it fulfilling multiple purposes, none of which are up for your judgement? How about if I decide to cover my head with a scarf - is it due to a religion you don't like, am I trying to avoid heatstroke, is it because scalp sunblock feels horrible or stings on patches of Psoriasis or because my most recent medication made clumps of hair fall out and I feel shit about it compared to being happier to not have it visible?

You do not have a right to demand I expose any more of my body than I wish to do.

If you're not wearing it, as a device of control or expectation in relation to your religion, then its not extreme religious clothing is it?

What a pointless comparison.

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 21:49

GabriellaMontez · 12/07/2025 21:46

Call it curious/nosy... I don't gaf

Feel free to jog on and stop trying to police the thread.

We'll continue to discuss what we like.

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Hear hear!

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Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:49

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 12/07/2025 21:48

I watched a large group of people do this in an indoor pool. I thought it shouldn't have been allowed. The sea is different though.
I follow an Orthodox Jew on Instagram and they wear as many clothes swimming as they do when they are in a town but their clothes are swimming clothes unlike what I saw in the indoor pool above.

It's unsafe and unhygienic.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:49

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 21:49

Hear hear!

Eh? Nobody is stopping you 'discussing" anything.

mini124 · 12/07/2025 21:49

I am
muslim girl but no ln practicing. I wear a burkini when swimming at the swimming pool because I don’t feel comfortable exposing certain parts of my body. I get a lot of look’s because I look like a seal 🦭! I don’t mind it, it’s different and it’s a free country!!!! I don’t judge those who want to go topless on beach! Whatever rocks your boat! A lot of women you see o the beach wearing burkini, they prefer to cover as well because they don’t like to be tanned. They prefer to protect skin from sun & keep skin tone as light as possible. This is a stupid stigma around dark skin !

LuckyOlivePoet · 12/07/2025 21:50

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 19:13

That's sad.

As a Muslim F who leans more towards the secular side, its exactly how you see it. The men do whatever they like and the women are the kinkeepers. Yay us!!!

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 21:51

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:42

No, it's not accurate.
Clothes do not tell us anything about a person's modesty. They tell us very little really.

That's what I've just said. Clothes don't reflect a person's modesty, but it doesn't mean the clothes themselves aren't modest or immodest. If I wear a bear costume it doesn't mean I'm actually a bear.

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 21:52

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DreamTheMoors · 12/07/2025 21:52

LibbyDo · 12/07/2025 21:02

Misogynistic clap trap-there’s no such thing as modest clothing. Show me a Muslim country where women are not oppressed.

This makes me think of a photo I saw a couple of years ago.
It was a split screen of Iran - before and after the Ayatollah, Like 1979 & 2022, or close to it.
The 1979 photo showed young women wearing miniskirts & heels or boots and they had long, beautiful hair - they were laughing and smiling and I believe they were holding books. The 2022 photo showed them covered from head to toe. I also read that they were beaten and even killed if any part of their hair showed. Horrifying.
It was a shock to see the difference.

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 12/07/2025 21:52

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:49

It's unsafe and unhygienic.

Yes but I guess the pool is afraid of being told they are discriminating against Muslims if they say they can't do it.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:52

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 21:51

That's what I've just said. Clothes don't reflect a person's modesty, but it doesn't mean the clothes themselves aren't modest or immodest. If I wear a bear costume it doesn't mean I'm actually a bear.

Clothes are just clothes, they're not modest or immodest.

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:52

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:37

No, I prefer people mind their own business.

You are very busily policing everyone, making it your business that they don’t annoy your rules…

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/07/2025 21:52

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 21:49

If you're not wearing it, as a device of control or expectation in relation to your religion, then its not extreme religious clothing is it?

What a pointless comparison.

How do you know which it is?

Why would it be any of your business?

What gives you the right to control it instead?

TheHazelCritic · 12/07/2025 21:53

xanthomelana · 12/07/2025 21:34

Without sounding ignorant how is there such a variation in the way women dress when they are all Muslim? From an outsider perspective you would think if something is written in the Koran they would all follow it?

I promise I’m genuinely interested and not looking for an argument, I come in peace ✌🏼

Not everyone follows all parts or any part of their faith.

Leiah · 12/07/2025 21:53

I'm not Muslim. When I swim in the sea I wear a long-sleeved rash vest, and swim leggings with an attached below-the-knee skirt. It's comfortable, I don't get sunburned or worry about what my body looks like.

If someone else wants to wear a bikini or typical one-piece swimsuit, good for them, it doesn't bother me. But I'm glad that in recent years there have been more women, religious and not, challenging the idea that to swim or have fun on the beach you have to bare most of your body. When I was much younger these modest alternatives weren't readily available, so I just stayed away.

MumWifeOther · 12/07/2025 21:55

TreatTreat · 12/07/2025 18:49

If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

🎣

soupyspoon · 12/07/2025 21:55

MyUmberSeal · 12/07/2025 21:37

You’d love my Google search history, full of the most random pondering 🤣. Stuff that crops up when I wake in the night and think to myself ‘oh I wonder…’

Oh god me too, quite dull compared to other people however. Today my ponderings were about motorways. I wont bore you with it!!

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:55

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 12/07/2025 21:52

Yes but I guess the pool is afraid of being told they are discriminating against Muslims if they say they can't do it.

They could easily run a female only or male only session, but specify that proper swimwear has to be worn like in every other session. It's not hard to get hold of swimwear which covers pretty much the whole body nowadays. Our local pool states that it must be proper swimwear worn in the pool/health suite.

JazzyBBBG · 12/07/2025 21:55

I hate the word "modest" to describe clothes/dress. It's so judgemental.

TheHazelCritic · 12/07/2025 21:55

DreamTheMoors · 12/07/2025 21:52

This makes me think of a photo I saw a couple of years ago.
It was a split screen of Iran - before and after the Ayatollah, Like 1979 & 2022, or close to it.
The 1979 photo showed young women wearing miniskirts & heels or boots and they had long, beautiful hair - they were laughing and smiling and I believe they were holding books. The 2022 photo showed them covered from head to toe. I also read that they were beaten and even killed if any part of their hair showed. Horrifying.
It was a shock to see the difference.

I wonder how people think that boots and miniskirt were normal clothes in Iran. You know they were a fashion imported by America, and women were actually forbidden from covering up? And many chose to stay home rather than go out uncovered?
Did you think miniskirts were irans traditional clothing?

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 21:56

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:52

Clothes are just clothes, they're not modest or immodest.

I disagree. Wear arseless chaps down your street, then see if you feel the same.

PollyCreo · 12/07/2025 21:56

BluntPlumHam · 12/07/2025 21:46

You married one so that allows you to pass judgment on the entire male Muslim community which is about a billion?

Yes. I don't agree that women should have to cover their bodies on the beach or at the gym.

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 21:56

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:52

You are very busily policing everyone, making it your business that they don’t annoy your rules…

I'm really not, but whatever makes you feel better. ✌️

Rachie1973 · 12/07/2025 21:57

Morgenrot25 · 12/07/2025 20:32

I'm not offended, I just don't see why it's any of my business - I'd call it being nosey as opposed to being curious.

You’re being a bit odd. I have psoriasis and people, particularly kids so about it all the time.

Questions are how we learn! If OP asked what size burkini she wears I think maybe it would be. Bit rude, but just asking questions to educate herself isn’t offensive.

Jacobs4 · 12/07/2025 21:57

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 21:51

That's what I've just said. Clothes don't reflect a person's modesty, but it doesn't mean the clothes themselves aren't modest or immodest. If I wear a bear costume it doesn't mean I'm actually a bear.

I do agree with this. Lots of very swaddled Muslim girls wear heaps of make up and drawn on eyebrows, stick on nails, the lot. Doesn't look modest, looks confused.

i saw a muslin girl all covered up the other day faint on the tube, or collapse, the older woman, less covered, held her up as much as she could, sitting on the floor in a very crowded tube station. It was super hot and they weren’t carrying water. The girl must have been practically expiring in there, cloth tied right round her throat and pinned to her scalp.