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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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RosaAna · 04/03/2025 11:24

It is devastating. Seems like this was Trumps plan and the meeting with Zekensky was a setup so they could blame it on him.

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 11:24

It's appalling. I really hope that Starmer doesn't keep trying to buddy up to him and I would like to see the ridiculous state visit invitation rescinded. It should never have been issued.

Stickytreacle · 04/03/2025 11:29

I genuinely think he's a Russian asset, I think it's worrying that we share so much intelligence with the U.S. We are on the brink of the possibility of a very different world in future, militarily, financially and morally. I just hope Europe pulls together and stays strong.

LifeExperience · 04/03/2025 11:32

Time for Europe to step up. It will take years, thousands of boots on the ground and billions of pounds/euros to conduct a land war with Russia.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:35

RosaAna · 04/03/2025 11:24

It is devastating. Seems like this was Trumps plan and the meeting with Zekensky was a setup so they could blame it on him.

Yes, absolutely agree with this.

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Audhdmum · 04/03/2025 11:36

It’s a catastrophe. Trump is a Russian agent. Hillary said so and so did Kamala, and they had seen intelligence reports.

Worldgonecrazy · 04/03/2025 11:38

This was always Putin’s long term plan - to divide the US and NATO. Trump has played right into his hands.

Sparklfairy · 04/03/2025 11:40

I genuinely think he's a Russian asset

Me too. He thought he could bully Zelensky into submission and divvy up the mineral spoils with Putin. He anticipated Zelensky standing his ground but he did not anticipate the outpouring and redoubling of Ukraine support both worldwide and within the US as a result of that shitshow.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:40

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 11:24

It's appalling. I really hope that Starmer doesn't keep trying to buddy up to him and I would like to see the ridiculous state visit invitation rescinded. It should never have been issued.

I can understand why the invitation was issued as although I'm sure Starmer privately hates Trump, trying to maintain diplomacy to (a) encourage the US to act with integrity regarding Ukraine and (b) maintain UK and US relations for a future period when Trump's era is over, is important.

But I do wonder whether it should be rescinded now.

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PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 11:40

To which Vance has added this:

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3ljk3ly6iuk2g
NEW: JD Vance describes UK & French troops in Ukraine as “20,000 troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”.
Spits in the face of UK & EU troops that died supporting the US in Iraq & Afghanistan.
So revealing. The Atlantic alliance & “special relationship” is dead.

News Eye (@newseye.bsky.social)

NEW: JD Vance describes UK & French troops in Ukraine as “20,000 troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”. Spits in the face of UK & EU troops that died supporting the US in Iraq & Afghanistan. So revealing. The Atl...

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3ljk3ly6iuk2g

thepariscrimefiles · 04/03/2025 11:44

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 11:40

To which Vance has added this:

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3ljk3ly6iuk2g
NEW: JD Vance describes UK & French troops in Ukraine as “20,000 troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”.
Spits in the face of UK & EU troops that died supporting the US in Iraq & Afghanistan.
So revealing. The Atlantic alliance & “special relationship” is dead.

Vance is a bigger cunt than Trump. The UK only sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan to help and support the USA after 9/11. That was the 'Coalition of the Willing'. Where was the gratitude from Trump and Vance for that?

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 11:45

From that BlueSky thread, where they're saying succinctly what I want to:

lyncglas‬ ‪@lyncglasbskysocial.bsky.social‬
We fought with them in Afghan after they were attacked on Sep 11 (Article 5). So little respect for our soldiers who fought & died with them.

‪Trevor Herbert‬ ‪@riadach.bsky.social‬
He wants you to be livid at him. He wants NATO to be destroyed. It's all calculated with Vance.

‪bettertimes69.bsky.social‬ ‪@bettertimes69.bsky.social‬
Yep, he knows what he is doing

‪Shiv‬ ‪@blshiv.bsky.social‬
I'm still trying to understand the point of alienating all your allies.

‪Trevor Herbert‬ ‪@riadach.bsky.social‬
It's easy when you realise none of this is about promoting America's interests. It about Russia's, JD's, and DJT's interest. We have to stop being shy about saying this.

Trevor Herbert (@riadach.bsky.social)

Cancrán lofa, neamhlách, a bhfuil fíbín argóna air. Gaeilge, stair, polaitíocht agus cearta an duine!

https://bsky.app/profile/riadach.bsky.social

randomchap · 04/03/2025 11:48

Putin has played the us amazingly. Troll farms pushing for Trump, a leader who's only care is making money. And who may be compromised.

Looks to be the end of the US as a reliable international partner.

Shit times ahead

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 11:48

The US is the only country ever to have invoked Article 5 of NATO (mutual defence).

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:49

thepariscrimefiles · 04/03/2025 11:44

Vance is a bigger cunt than Trump. The UK only sent troops to Iraq and Afghanistan to help and support the USA after 9/11. That was the 'Coalition of the Willing'. Where was the gratitude from Trump and Vance for that?

Wow. Putin will love that. Trump and Vance are doing exactly what he wants. They are indeed Russian agents as PPs have said.

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BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:49

It’s been obvious that all Trump’s moves have been to further the interests of Russia for years.

The baffler is why the American electorate didn’t see it.

GaryTheGoat · 04/03/2025 11:49

Krasnov Trump alluded to WW3 and I think that’s the aim and he will scape goat Zalensky as the cause. We live in dark times 😢

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 11:49

For me it’s not just terminating aid it’s the fact he ordered aid nearly at the border to Ukraine to turn back. That’s fucking malicious, and nothing to do with money saving. He’s a despicable piece of shit.

Inmydreams88 · 04/03/2025 11:52

I’m so scared for our future.

Chypre · 04/03/2025 11:53

Something tells me that whatever Trump does (or tries to do) is just showing off for the press. Surely things like that have to be put through congress/senate/whatever first? In a democratic manner? He can't singlehandedly "order" things?

randomchap · 04/03/2025 11:55

Chypre · 04/03/2025 11:53

Something tells me that whatever Trump does (or tries to do) is just showing off for the press. Surely things like that have to be put through congress/senate/whatever first? In a democratic manner? He can't singlehandedly "order" things?

Iirc, executive orders can be challenged in the courts but that takes time and money.

He's also stacked the supreme court with republican stooges.

Not looking hopeful at all

cardibach · 04/03/2025 11:56

Technically no, he can’t cancel aid approved by congress. He has though. Actually stopped it, not said he’s going to. And what can anybody do?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:58

Inmydreams88 · 04/03/2025 11:52

I’m so scared for our future.

It IS scary but I'm so glad Europe is standing firm and recognising that appeasing Putin is NOT the way to secure the safety of Ukraine and wider Europe.

We need to be able to defend ourselves without relying on the US. I know not all Americans think like Trump but he is the one in power for the next four years and he has made it clear that he thinks we're all too far away to care about.

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BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

endofthelinefinally · 04/03/2025 12:00

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 11:49

For me it’s not just terminating aid it’s the fact he ordered aid nearly at the border to Ukraine to turn back. That’s fucking malicious, and nothing to do with money saving. He’s a despicable piece of shit.

This. He is an absolute psychopath.