AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

It doesn't matter whether they are clean or corrupt really. A sovereign nation has been invaded, and a sovereign nation which is important in terms of resources it holds.

I'd say two things: firstly, Trump is a POS, and so is Vance. But secondly, the will in the West to continue to support Ukraine is/was waning fast, and not just in the US. The sad truth is that the West were always going to dump on Zelenskyy eventually, and even if the Democrats had won the US election, the tone might have been different, but the long-term results the same. We can complain abut how awful Putin is all we like, but I suspect British enthusiasm for our 'boots on the ground' (and the corpses that go with them) won't be much greater than American voters have shown.

Do you guys want full war with Russia then ?

And our reparations. We know Trump and Vance would have demanded payback if the boot was on the other foot.

We don't, no, but Trump is doing his best to ensure we get it.

That's because many Americans can't see beyond their own borders. When I lived there the big surprise was finding out how few own passports. We may think we see lots of American tourists here but in fact they don't all travel that much, even within their own country.

Only Americans seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that people in the UK know that Putin is a threat to US. We'd rather the frontier for defending ourselves from him was a few thousand kilometres away in Ukraine than right on our doorstep.

We don't, no, but Trump is doing his best to ensure we get it.

How so ?

Well if Trump doesn't rein in Vance it settles the issue of the state visit, why would anyone want to visit a random King?

As Sarah Palin pointed out years ago, from Alaskaa you can actually see Russia.

If Europe cannot save us from Putin, the US will end up regretting their sucking up to and capitulating appeasement of Putin. Subjected to the hegemony of first Russia and subsequently China.... where would it leave them?

I find it also interesting that the Unherd/Spiked axis view on this seems to be very much, yeah, we're cool with this, saw it coming, the EU is rubbish, dontcha know....

Russia? It's currently their only plan for economic growth.

No, why start tensions with a major world power? Maybe that’s how you would deal with a child bully, but come on, you have to have some common sense here. Realistically, we need the US. We cannot defend ourselves, even if the whole of Europe stood together.

Do you honestly want a war/tensions with the US?

Inter-country relations are complicated and can be challenging to handle and maintain. You can’t just go all in with what’s morally right. You have to step back and look objectively and what the effects of an impulsive decision could be.

Taking back his invitation would be a very bad sign to the US. It won’t be taken well.

I don't know why anyone is surprised, Trump is Putins puppet.
As its just been said on the radio - Putin & Trump are as bad as each other.

Trump will never admit he's wrong - too much loss of face.
Time to turn our backs on the USA & let them self destruction.

The EU needs to step up &.support Ukraine otherwise Putin will invade another part of Europe, the another, then another.
This rings a bell - does anyone remember a dictator walking over Europe in the past?

Makes me think of like how your kids expect you to pay for everything, even after you’ve supported them for 20+ years.

Mm. I see it more like the husband who claims all the money in the marriage is his, because he can see he gets paid a salary.

While his wife who enables him to do that by unpaid labour of the entire whole domestic load is completely invisible to him.

It's not just childcare that's are invisible to him; he can't see laundry, putting food on the table or any of the other myriad things he'll miss when she chucks him out, either. And when she brings in money from her own paid work, that's half his as well.

Actually the Budapest Memorandum obligates the US (and others) to protect Ukraine, and that is why they willingly gave up their nuclear weapons.

It's not a case of running to mummy because of a bully in the playground as you seem to suggest.

What I saw was Trump & Co pursuing a negotiated solution. Both sides feeling like the got something and ending a costly war.
Looked like press conference was supposed to signal this.

Mr Z … didn’t want a negotiable and let that be known.

So, now it’s all about war - weapons spending, troops, death and in the end - boarders similar to whatever Trump negotiation would have yielded with added cost of a military boarder zone costing billions a year to defend.

thanks Zelensky….

The more I think about it - he is a little fool in heels, dancing EU & UK into a costly war.

Because Russia WANTS a war with Europe and Trump's making it nice and easy for him. Putin isn't going to stop at a bit of Ukraine. His plan is to bring the whole of the USSR into the fold, and then he'll be a much more dangerous threat to the West than he currently is. Obviously he'll be happier if he just gets given those countries without having to fight for them - are you suggesting the rest of the world should just capitulate to Putin? Because that's what Trump is doing.

Last week I understood why Starmer was trying to be softly softly diplomatic. Now I want someone to actually say, what I'm sure they are thinking, which is President Trump you are a venal, wicked man. Both he and JD Vance are scum. Of course everyone wants peace in Ukraine but this is shameful. It's so distressing.

Bollocks. Trump had capitulated to Putin before negotiations even started. Thinks he's this great deal-maker, when he'd thrown the deal right from the very start. It would be laughable if it wasn't tragic - and it's made Europe a much more dangerous place. I'm guessing you're not European though so don't care.

Putin isn't going to be placated with a bit of Ukraine. The idea that that's a solution is risible. He doesn't care about losing men in war and never has. He wants the old USSR back.

Thankyou 👍🏾 Excellently put.

Trump is forcing the hand of the corrupt cokehead

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itsjustbiology
He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything

Isn't that a role it has taken on? Isn’t that one of the reasons the USA has over 750 military bases in 80 countries around the world? If they want to withdraw from this guardian role, fine but there is a right and wrong way of going about it. Not sudden actions like this.

... because a large enough proportion of the US electorate hated Biden and the Democrats enough to mobilise themselves into voting for Trump (again). It baffles me that so many US citizens refuse to acknowledge that Trump is a Russian asset - I mean, you can see a train when it's coming.

We've only offered peacekeepers and asking for US security, ie someone else steps in. Understandably voters there are a no. Who wants to step in if combat starts

There's the small matter of the USA breaking the deal it made with Ukraine in promising its security in return for handing over its nuclear arsenal in 1994. But Trump isn't a man of his word, or anyone's word for that matter, is he?