AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

[Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

LOL!

Absolute loony toons.

”Hate” from where exactly.

“Random countries”

”Not fought a war in years”.

Yeah so British supporters of MAGA - what say you?

That’s an interesting take, the US don’t actually rule the world you know, whatever that hideous orange moron thinks.
You seem to be completely ignorant of Putin’s hand in all this, there is credible evidence of Russian interference in the US 2016 election and the Brexit referendum in the UK, and you believe the best scenario would be to allow him and Trump to call the shots, because they don’t have ANY ulterior motives at all do they? 🤦‍♀️
You also underestimate how much Trump is goading China, you ignore them at your peril.

No im not, you can’t keep pouring money down a black hole if the countries leaders aren’t prepared to negotiate.

Ukraine got rid of it's nuclear arsenal after the breakup of the Soviet Union. They did so only after being assured that Russia, US and UK would guarantee their security in the Budapest Memorandum.

After Trump's monumental fuck-up this weekend, no country will ever agree to relinquish their weapons again, nuclear or otherwise.

The security that we relied on and the world as we know it has changed, almost overnight and Nato is already dead in the water.

It would be comforting to think that Trump, Musk and Vance are an aberation, that could be overthrown, yet they received backing and approval from a supine Republican party and a voting stupidity majority of US citizens. Dark times indeed.

And Afghanistan.

It is so disrespectful of those who died and their families. Utterly reprehensible.

Vance is an absolute turd.

You mean Ukraine should negotiate with the Russia that already waltzed into Crimea and took it? That they should have more? And what would stop them going for another bite of the cherry after that? Or looking next to Poland? Or Slovakia? Or Finland? Or half of bloody Europe.

No.

It's not a negotiation when Trump has already handed Ukraine to Russia.

All of this.

It is sad - and scary - to see that the vast majority of Americans don't seem to care. No mass demonstrations against Trump essentially proposing to capitulate to Putin and leave the frontline of the free world in deep shit.

I don't think anyone is saying it's Zelensky pocketing it all but Ukraine has had huge problems with corruption and although they are really moving forwards they are still way down the table.

'According to the most widely cited source—the annual ranking of corruption by Transparency International (TI)—Ukraine has scored poorly for decades. As late as 2016, amid major anti-corruption reforms, TI’s survey still judged Ukraine to be as corrupt as Russia. The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.'

'Last year, Ukrainian authorities opened a criminal case against Dmytro Firtash, an oligarch also wanted in the United States for corruption, alleging that his group embezzled $484 million from the Ukrainian state treasury in a scheme involving gas transit fees.'

I'm not pro Trump by any means though, voting in a narcissistic megalomaniac is never a clever move in my book. That doesn't mean though that we should pretend Ukraine is squeaky clean.

foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/

I don’t think it’s that they don’t care, I think most of them are blissfully unaware of what’s happening.

In some ways even Elon would be better 😂

@Jade520

The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.'

Well you have to choose your priorities. At this rate, if the rest of Ukraine is invaded by Russia it will go down from being 104th out of 180 countries to 141. And a cluster of other East European countries and Poland will be next in line for Russia's special operations.

I suppose that's a good outcome in your book?

Trump has regurgitated every Putin talking point - Zelensky is a dictator and should hold elections, Ukraine caused the war etc. He may as well have been reading from a Kremlin prepared script

Putin and Trump are working for a common aim. US financially benefits 5x the aid they've provided. Russia gets land and the opportunity to rearm whilst interfering in any future Ukraine election.

Why would anyone rely upon the US now?

Of course he will negotiate! He wants a lasting peace though, do you really think that's so unreasonable?

The Americans have convinced themselves that they rule the world and unfortunately are swallowing all of Trump’s garbage.
What they need to be considering is Trump’s treatment of China, the US are insignificant in terms of firepower compared to China, he could well be leading them into a fight that they definitely wouldn’t win.

Maybe because USA signed a deal to protect Ukraines independence from aggressors?

He’s an absolute tw*t I wouldn’t usually say this about someone but that person that attempted to assassinate him and that other man got killed instead. That should have been Trump and the way he was celebrating afterwards because they weren’t successful. No condolences to the man’s family that died him and his brainwashed minions that voted for him absolutely disgust me.

Who on earth would want this ?

Nobody has said they are squeaky clean, Z said that himself in the article that was linked!
Trump has repeatedly said they have given 360b but won't substantiate that figure! I have seen plenty of trump supporters say they have paid 350 , he's stolen money, massive house in florida, some shit about diamonds. On top of the dictator, they started the war crap.
How much more do you need?
What do you think of Russia?

They don’t care, as it’s miles from them. Why would they.. .?

They have problems of their own, unrest, homelessness , no good medical care, vast swathes of their society locked up for being different

So much BS flying around about how Europe will defend itself now that Trump is pausing Zelensky's money.

It's western propaganda.

Russia hasn't been able to get out of The Ukraine for 3 years. How the hell is it going to take on the whole of western Europe if it suddenly defeated The Ukraine?

Long range missile, my a**e. He would have used them by now. Besides, the west have them too, we seem to spend on defence here in the UK.

It is a good that Europe/UK are stepping up.
Realising that Europe/UK Expect USA to handle security.

Don’t think it was a deliberate strategy, but do see that US is expected to step in, yet get criticized endlessly for stepping in

Makes me think of like how your kids expect you to pay for everything, even after you’ve supported them for 20+ years.

@FavouriteFilms my thoughts exactly - why would you want a full on war with Russia ?

We are completely fucked if that happens.