AIBU to think famous women don't look worse because they age, it's because of the surgery.

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Not going to name any specific women actors but I was just looking at one of my fave comedians whose just had a face full of fillers and she just didn't look great. She was about the same age as me (early 50s) and my friends and none of them have had anything done, (well maybe a little but it's not obvious if they have), but they all great and I'd be really shocked if any of them started to go down the route of such extreme fillers / botox etc.

I'm not saying I look like I've fallen into the fountain of youth, far from it, but I look, for want of a better word, normal.

I do get there is so much pressure on women in the public eye but after a certain stage of procedures it doesn't make anyone look any younger and just starts to make people look weird.

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Completely agree. I am so sick of the sight of fillers.

I don't think Nicole Kidman is a good example of a woman who looks good for her age and not too much surgery. I watched a romcom with her and Zac Efron earlier this year and it was a bizarre experience. To be fair he was the one who looked most odd and least like himself. He's said that he had an accident which meant he had to have work done which is true but it was a good few years ago and the work he's had done now makes him look older, which is interesting. NK just looks not quite right and it's very much a filler thing. The beauty is still there but the work has taken some of it away and that's sad but I get it. If you're a beautiful woman and get work because you're a beautiful woman there is no way that you can get away with having no tweaks at all done and that's a damn shame.

Zac Efron is interesting because clearly we're going to see more and more obvious work on male stars. It's not that we've never seen it but it's been less of a big thing with men. I quite like his new face but he looks so different it's as though I'm looking at a completely different person.

Joan Collins seems to have a genius surgeon. My guess is that she's been having the tiniest little lifts and tweaks for decades and that she's stayed clear of most filler type stuff. I couldn't be doing with all the work and upkeep it must take to to look like that but it's hard not to admire her determination to look "her best". She now looks younger than her much younger husband who probably hasn't had any work done.

the normalisation of it all outside of the entertainment industry is sad. There is so much beauty in aging and it's a shame that we appear to be forgetting that fact. I hate that people are having obvious work at much younger ages. I've always thought that Zoe Kravitz is stunningly beautiful - no surprise when you look at her beautiful parents - but she appears to have had buccal fat removal and just why, why, why do that to a beautiful face!

I don't judge any of the people I've talked about here. Women have enough pressure put upon them for the way they look or should look or don't look or want to look ... I do judge a society that brings pressure to bear on people and that sees aging as something that needs to be fixed rather than the most natural fact of life that should be celebrated not "escaped from" by any plastic or filler means necessary.

I do.

Joan Collins apparently has her own camera crew, lighting makes a big difference too. What an icon. Agree she looks fab which I said upthread & also she’s always been quite astonishingly beautiful I think. That helps.

Interesting re: men & surgery becoming more common. Brad Pitt’s looks good, poss David Beckham’s had tweaks? Has Simon Cowell had a facelift?

Personally I think Andie McDowell looks amazing with grey hair.

I couldn't agree more. Although they don't look old, they don't look young either. In fact I think the faces of some celebrities look more like aliens or imitations of human beings, not people at all. I wish they'd stop, it's horrible. I don't think it can be good for anybody's physical or mental health either. Its not just women though, some men are similarly badly affected.

I watched a (truly terrible) Xmas movie with DD last night that had Kristin Chenoweth and Lindsay Lohan in.

DD thought they were the same age - “they both look like Plastic Surgery 45” - and that it was mad they played women of separate generations.

They are 56 and 38. Despite Lohan being almost 20 years younger, the work she’s had done artificially ages her because she looks false.

I know she had an incredibly rough decade or so after childhood stardom and I get why she felt it’s necessary, but it feels a damn shame. She was great as she was.

It’s always been a cruel business for women, from getting child star Judy Garland hooked on drugs onwards. But you’d kind of hope it would have improved by now.

I think most of the women mentioned must have had something done. KST is lined but she’s 64 with no jowls. It’s very subtle.

celebs are one thing but I’m so sick of seeing bad filler in young women. The lips! the chipmunk cheeks. Topped off with mad lashes and brows. It’s an odd look but very popular.

Completely agree. Those who grow old naturally and gracefully look so much better than the ones with fillers/surgery .

@Talesfromtheriverbank KST is thin/slim & many lower BMI women don’t get jowly or only v slightly. Poss she’s naturally swerved and/or had medical grade facials, ultherapy etc.

With NK she looks unique at least imo but good god it’s the ones on these reality shows that have the trout pouts, tarantula eye lashes, catapilar eyebrows, Hollywood smile (massive veneers that are too big for their mouth and face and Botox and fillers maxed out and contoured make up. They all have the same look. The older they get the worse that look is. When they’re in their mid-late 40’s it just looks too much.

When you get older less is more. The women I find are most attractive are the ones that have more subtle make up on. It’s like putting black eyeliner on when you’re early 20’s with no wrinkles etc, but it’s too harsh of a look when you get older.

Another example, plastering on the foundation and concealer under your eyes as a teenager, fine but looks hideous when you’re older as it seeps in to your lines and makes it look worse - less is most definitely more.

And ‘Asian don’t raisin.’ 🤣

Anyway, I’m Black, so I certainly hope so. Fingers very much crossed.

I saw a pic of Kellie Bright on Instagram the other day. Lovely to see a naturally aging actress.

But equally there is revolution to people aging and just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This type of thread only stands ti further damage women. You are hideous if you age, you are hideous if you have cosmetic treatments or the wrong kind of cosmetic treatments.

"Your worth is judged entirely by how much I enjoy your face" is as disgusting and misogynistic no matter who says, no matter if is being said about women who have or have not had cosmetic treatments. It draws from the same pool of hatred.

I was quite shocked by Nicole Kidman in Lioness, she’s a great actress but I thought her face looks really weird, so full of fillers her face looks almost hexagonal and so wide her eyes look weirdly close together. I do wonder what she’d look like if she hadn’t done anything to her face at all.

Yes, I completely agree. I always thought Maggie Smith looked beautiful throughout her career; her bone structure was like porcelain as a young woman, and it was still as fine and evident when mellowed by a few wrinkles.

There was a woman on some celebrity cooking show (with Eds Balls and Byrne) I saw recently who had that serious duck look going on, I guess due to fillers.

The - was it Little Mix? - singer in the jungle looked like an Archimboldo painting, and had a full on crease visible halfway down her forehead, after one trial when insects were dumped on her head.

It's just such a shame, and fuelled by shows like TOWIE and Love Island. The teeth too! It's like a marker for wealth with zero taste. That Jaime, from Made in Chelsea - he's one with a fluorescent mouth and ugh, I cannot cope with watching him. Everything about his personality is me, me, me, and so fake/ affected. I completely agree... I long for real things.

I’m all for medical aesthetic treatments. Get some laser done and some chemical peels etc. Botox can be great if used correctly.

But fillers just look weird. I saw a friend recently who I hadn’t seen in a while who uses fillers and she looks so strange. Not like herself. Oddly puffy even though she’s in amazing shape otherwise. And we’re only 42!

I’m glad I’m both too poor and too fat to have ever considered getting filler done! Especially now with all the information coming out about how fillers migrate, swell, and never really dissolve.

I think yabu because none of them can win. They all get accused of having work done regardless of wether they have or haven't.. and then if they obviously haven't they get made fun of anyway..
Thing is some people are luckier with genetics than others.. and some people are luckier with how the work they have done suits them.. it's mainly down to luck because I'm pretty sure most of the women talked about here put in a great deal of effort with diet and exercise abd skin care.. but they get varying results.
I just think it's as shit to have a go at someone regarding cosmetic procedures as it is to have a go at someone for aging naturally. Just stop focusing on women's appearances. You say you think all the surgery's awful but are adding to the pressure by starting a thread critiquing how women look.

I have to go against the grain on this thread about Trinny; I think she looks seriously weird now, almost like a Spitting Image puppet of her former self, which I guess is what fillers do; they over-exaggerate your natural features and at the same time smooth out the skin into waxy rubber which I guess is easy to look at when you’re the recipient intent on banishing your wrinkles and mistakenly think it looks great. To those who probably never noticed or cared about your wrinkles before, it just looks odd. I know a woman whose second home is in our village and so I don’t see her for long periods of time and she is succumbing to the fillers route, and looking more and more rubbery and odd every time I see her. Such a shame as she’s naturally beautiful.

@ChanelBoucle Trinny’s eyes look incredible, open, wide & no crepeiness at all, what’s she ‘done’ here? Susannah C, who was/is beautiful, hasn’t aged as ‘well’. I am not sure I agree Trinny is overly filled in her face. I think she’s done a lot of RF & poss laser like stuff to improve skin texture & maintain collagen & elasticity. Even her eyelashes look youthful. I admire her zip & resilience generally. She moves like a much younger woman.

Correct. There are lots of mini lifts and things that can be done, in stages, over years, so everything looks very natural. But people don’t ‘see’ it - my mum regularly comes out with ridiculous comments about how well someone is aging with no understanding how much help that person has had. And then she feels down about her own aging.

@User14March quite possibly an upper bleph combined with botox?

I would argue that when a woman over forty suddenly sports lips and cheeks that are larger than they were in her twenties she might possibly be considered ‘overfilled in the face’. The point of fillers etc to begin with was to subtly restore volume. Those rare people that do it well do it at a rate and quantity commensurate with their natural age.

@ChanelBoucle T’s lips look very full back in 2003 too (?) Although face narrower so I hear you here. She’s very striking in real life.

It's a catch 22 situation which won't change until there's a seismic shift in the way women are judged.

There's an awful amount of pressure on women to look youthful especially if they're in the public eye.

We're all aware that roles dry up for women past 30. The entertainment business is run by men.

The media is relentless in its criticism of women. Very recently there were pictures of Pamela Anderson without make up and she was ripped apart on social media.

Women are rarely judged on their achievements but on their looks. Magazines used to be dedicated to tearing apart women's perceived physical flaws and the Daily Heil now carries the baton.

Yet when women capitulate to the relentless pressure they're criticised.

Women - you can't do anything right!