AIBU to think famous women don't look worse because they age, it's because of the surgery.

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Not going to name any specific women actors but I was just looking at one of my fave comedians whose just had a face full of fillers and she just didn't look great. She was about the same age as me (early 50s) and my friends and none of them have had anything done, (well maybe a little but it's not obvious if they have), but they all great and I'd be really shocked if any of them started to go down the route of such extreme fillers / botox etc.

I'm not saying I look like I've fallen into the fountain of youth, far from it, but I look, for want of a better word, normal.

I do get there is so much pressure on women in the public eye but after a certain stage of procedures it doesn't make anyone look any younger and just starts to make people look weird.

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It's not just women.

I don't think it does them any favours but it's like a fashion trend that you either like or don't like. There's also a lot of pressure based around looking young.

Yes it's so refreshing, especially from someone who was so known for her looks.. she's completely gone the other way

Trinny woodall and Amanda Holden have been mentioned as looking good for their ages. There is absolutely no way they have had nothing done. I watched something on YouTube where a plastic surgeon analysed celebrity faces and he said Amanda Holden has had a fair amount done. To me trinny looks in no way natural!!!!

Sharon Stone looks great for 66. Amanda Holden, Trinny and Nicole Kidman look like wax works.

Yeah they've both had loads done. Which is annoying when Trinny does all her cosmetic tutorials acting like she's natural like everyone she's flogging stuff to.

Sigourney looked immeasurably better than the fright that Nicole looked a week or two earlier.

It really is a shame that there is this pressure, but it surely must also be some sort of body dysmorphia that they can't see what they actually look like? And all that with, presumably, the best plastic surgeons/beauticians that money can buy ...

So what happens with these celebs is they have had lots of filler and Botox for years. After awhile it looks pillowy and unnatural. But then they go, this is what happened to Kidman, for a deep plane face lift. To have a deep plane face lift you have to have all the filler in your face dissolved before the deep plane is done. So celebs often say 'I didn't feel myself with fillers, I've had them dissolved'! This is because they're prepping for the deep plane. Like Demi Moore and Kidman had done.

This is why Kidman looked very odd for months, she had lots of filler, was pillow face for years then she had it all dissolved in prep for the deep plane facelift. And because the swelling from the deep plane face lift hadn't gone down fully yet, it looks mask like.

They have such grotesque body dysmorphia and a highly visible job, it's sort of impossible for them to be able to hide it. Everyone tells them they oook gorgeous, they can't see the swelling, besides they have filming/interview/press tour blah blah blah ... but it's full on Uncanny Valley looking.

So we can all see it but they sort of can't 🤷‍♀️

@dynamiccactus absolutely! The NHS will even do it for people who have badly affected vision from their eyelids. But it’s also very good as a cosmetic op , if done correctly. There are photos of Angelina Jolie recently where you can see a tiny little bump/scar at the corner of one eye - I had the exact same thing for several months after my operation until it eventually smoothed down completely. I guess what im saying is these ‘little’ surgeries can make a subtle difference that the general public aren’t aware of, yet they look longingly at the supposedly ‘natural’ actors and it’s simply not attainable. But if I was in the public eye like that, open to all the online hate I would be doing everything I could to age slowly… (plan to try anyway tbh).

Yes so if you're wondering, yes they have lots of work, and I do mean a lot. Pony tail lift, brow lifts, rhinoplasty revisions, etc.

But the really big procedure where it changes their entire facial appearance is the deep plane facelift, to prep for it involves all face fillers being fully dissolved/removed. They have to do this as the deep plane means repositioning facial muscles and the filler has to go for the best results. Along with subtle fat grafts from other parts of your body into your face to subtlety plump out areas where fat loss ages your face.

Especially as they're all on Mounjaro, Ozempic for drastic fat loss.

I think the best candidate celebs that have had this done is Christina Ag, Demi Moore, Nicole Kidman once the swelling goes down will look better. It was a mistake she had filming when she is still swollen. She should have waited, it'll look better.
And that red headed actress, can't remember her name!
They've had deep plane facelifts as there's such a huge change in their facial appearance.
Cleaning up diet and not drinking alcohol helps a lot too obviously.
It obviously looks better on you in your 30s/40s like Christina than like Kidman in your 50s.

op how you look and how your friends look is not under constant scrutiny

for any woman in the public eye it is constant, their weight, hair, body, face and many have to keep looking a certain way so they are able to obtain work

and when you are surrounded by more people who have had lots of botox and fillers it starts to become normalised

its sad situation we are in, it takes a really stong single minded woman who is really secure in themselves to say say no I am shall just let myself naturally age. Many are now doing this but after getting caught up in the need to still look younger. I am guessing for many this is also around peri menopause time when your skin does change, many woman do suffer with anxiety and once passed menopause then some women don't give fuck anymore or far less of a fuck

this is a point, ultimately for many celebrity women, their careers and how attractive they are are inextricably linked in the way most women's aren't. It's bad enough as a 'normal' woman seeing an unflattering photo of you crop up on someone else's fb/insta, imagine if that was circled with "how X has let herself go!!!!" and published worldwide.

However, I would also argue that if your profession is an actor it is fairly important to be able to move your face to make facial expressions and thus convey emotion, and many actors (male too although it's not quite as noticeable) have had so much botox they are completely incapable of doing anything other than some wide eyed blinking, which is something I can judge if I'm the audience paying to watch them.

I think Annette Bening looks fantastic-she doesn’t look as if she’s had anything done. Full of lines but still looks beautiful and like herself.

I always think Susan Sarandon and Helen Mirren have had the best work. Subtle enough that they still look older.
I just googled Andie McDowell and I actually don’t think she’s had anything. She has really strong bone structure. My mum (70s) is like that. Plenty of wrinkles but no sagging really. I cheered when I saw AMcD’s wild grey curls. She looks like a witch (in a good way!)

I’m betting all of these women have had work done, it’s just been done well and they’ve not gone down the ‘more is more’ route.

Agree with this. I want my own face, not some surgical idea of how a middle aged face should look , which seems to be freakishly smooth and puffed.

I totally agree! And Isabella Rossellini and Judi Dench seem happy in themselves too!

British actresses like Harriet Walters and Penelope Wilton look normal and really attractive too in seventies. So it is possible!

I strongly disagree that it’s smug and superior to be opposed to plastic surgery for those who don’t need it medically. Think about it! People are willingly allowing themselves to be cut in to by a knife and undergo the risk of an anaesthetic for the sake of what? Is it vanity? Lack of self esteem? To create an illusion? I don’t mean this in a judgemental way, but ultimately it is all a deception.

In fact it’s often the other way around and people who are rich enough to undergo all of these procedures, look down on us mere mortals who can’t or choose not to afford them.

It’s a sorry state of affairs imho when Hollywood actresses are considered “brave” for presenting themselves as they truly are. How fucked up is that?

The more children and adults are exposed to films, tv, magazine photos and advertising featuring men and women who have had surgery, veneered teeth, hair pieces, filters, photoshop etc, the more inadequate they feel with their “ordinary” bodies.

And yet ordinary bodies are miraculous things in themselves!

This is slightly different but the affects of photoshopping in social media have been studied in the US and found to produce negative effects including negative impacts on self esteem in young adolescent women.

Is this really what we want for our daughters?

Almost every message they are receiving is that their normal, natural, selves are not good enough.

It’s therefore not just about what every individual person chooses to do; it’s a societal issue too.

As is the overwhelming commercial pressure that young women are faced to “correct” these perceived inadequacies by buying expensive products and beauty treatments and the damage that some of them do to the environment.

Protecting the young from these skewed perceptions and steering them to focus on their actions, accomplishments and character, rather than on their appearance, is far more important imho. The more we can accept and be at ease with the normality of ageing, the better off we will all be imho.

In fact the more we can be humble in the face of nature and accept the ordinary as more than fine; the more mh will improve generally.

No wonder young people feel overwhelmed by looking at sm and taking in images of perfect people, with perfect bodies, eating perfect food, doing perfect exercise routines, living in perfect homes, wearing perfect clothes. It’s all a deception and the illusion of perfection an unobtainable mirage! No wonder they are demoralised and lacking in optimism for the future.

If someone has had work done, my brain annoyingly keeps pinging “something isn’t right” and I end up staring at their lips or forehead while my brain tries to make sense of it.

Female actors have had to deal with misogyny and ageism since forever, this is just the current fashion for dealing with it. I am really not a fan of the waxy smooth mask look myself and agree Andie McDowell looks fabulous. Avoiding “ageing” really is down to the gene lottery but I try and help my odds with HRT, a decent moisturiser, never smoking, rarely drinking, getting some fresh air and exercise a couple of times a week, having a flattering haircut and wearing good quality clothes that suit my body shape. I can’t even be bothered with hair colour because imho badly done and/or maintained colour looks worse than none, and I haven’t the energy or time for the strict hairdressing routine to keep it looking good. A six weekly cut feels excessive sometimes!

As for male actors, well to compare and contrast I think Hugh Grant is looking as sexy as he did 30 odd years ago even with grey hair and wrinkles, and Tom Cruise looks ok but weird somehow. I guess Tom’s thing is being an action man so has the pressure to keep looking young and Hugh is doing the interesting character roles so isn’t so bothered. And does anyone know why Daniel Craig’s upper lip keeps getting longer and longer - is it ageing or “work”?

There’s a clip of Hugh Grant talking about Love Actually where the Producer/Director told him he’d got way too fat & he needed to address it asap. He said he’d got to 12.5 stone & 5ft 11inches!

That is actually in the healthy range albeit nearly at the top.

Clint Eastwood was 91 in the remarkably pointless film, Cry Macho. His face was a wonder to behold (although I don't remember any lingering close-ups) and should I ever become very wealthy, his surgeon is the one I'd want. But he walked like an old man ~ yes, a healthy old man, but the disconnect was there.

Renee zellweger put on weight for that role. She said she found it very difficult. She was a size 12.

I wonder why there aren't more lawsuits, because no right-minded person paus good money to look the state some of these women are left in. I'm guessing there's a huge element of psycho-surgeon plus I mustn't admit I mistake doing this...

I think it was a US 12, so a UK 16, but I don't think she was big, long time ago now I can't remember

I think it's possible to understand why someone whose looks form part of their career capital can fall into a cycle of ever more dramatic surgeries and at the same time acknowledge that the result becomes increasingly odd and jarring without throwing in your feminist badge.

M&S polyester and LIDL is a choice. Not something forced on you as a punishment for being old and crepey.

Judi Dench is one of the best looking women around, and she’s got masses of lines.