I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Christ. I wouldn’t be admitting that from the amount of nonsense you post on the subject.

I do agree with that i don't just blindly say i will support labour but I can not sit with those that are not into equality attack minorities so yes there are sides. We have diff values as that is evident it's not just like old times where it was about say how the economy runs ever since the right have done culture war crap it makes you gather to your tribe unfortunately

I was a Guardian reader. I felt betrayed by the left in general as represented by that newspaper and the BBC. I thought my post was clear that I felt lied to by the left in the form of left wing thinkers who supported transgender ideology and seemed to deny that Hamas are a bunch of vile terrorists. I actually voted Labour at the last election because they just about managed to acknowledge that women need 'safe' spaces. And Wes Streeting seemed to get it. I'm much less tribal now though

This is the problem the OP writes about. There needs to be less blind tribalism and more actual thinking and listening.

I do think i do listen I just happwn to believe that my trans friend isn't causing myself a disabled woman an issue and that it actually upsets me to see how it's debated

From the pp Spaces such as changing rooms, toilets

Labour have said changing rooms and toilets will be for biological women only?

Can you or other pp link to when and how this will happen?

And this post. What are Labour doing exactly bar 'fuck all'?

And you obviously voted against any change to the EqA, so why now be annoyed no change to the EqA, surely that's what you were after.

Many Tories brought into gender ideology so much so that May tried to bring in self ID and Maria Miller tried to completely screw women over. Gender ideology infiltrated all institutions under the Tories and they allowed rapists into women's prisons.

Yet people blame the left. People can evidently be convinced of anything.

That's fine but it doesn't help when it comes to votes as the information is so divorced from sex based reality, which is what many women will care about.

Such as who is responsible for the GRA and held onto Self ID for longer.

oops

Some people can be evidently be convinced of anything

I don't think the Labour government and ' the left' are necessarily the same thing. 6 MP's have already been suspended from the Left within weeks of the new government bring formed. I know people on The Left. Their contempt for Starmer and the Labour government runs very, very deep. The identitarian politics comes largely from this section of the Left, who are the noisiest and most trenchant in their giews, as well as the most loudmouthed on social media.

Why are you asking me these questions, and/or banging on about what Labour have/will do? I don't really care much about these sex/gender issues. All I'm pointing out is that people (like you) bleat on endlessly about what Labour is going to do to protect women's spaces while ignoring that the Tories did nothing to protect women's spaces.

Where are all your angry posts about how the Tories, despite all their talk, did the square root of bugger all for women?

Yes don't worry I get you care more about what people say about Labour than what actually happens for women and girls

I'm not going to repeat myself again. Starmer said that single sex spaces should be protected and Streeting is supporting the Darlington nurses regarding their changing rooms ergo helping them protect their space. He also said that something has gone wrong which needs to be rectified.

Starmer was clear before the election that Labour would not change the EA as it already protects women's spaces. As you know from Rape Centre in Edinburgh, this bs has been allowed to infiltrate every institution and Labour have only been in for a few months.

I wanted the left to stand up for women's rights. Which they totally failed to do.

Your trans friend may well mean no harm. The problem arises if he wants to access women’s safe spaces, as this then means any male can enter unchallenged. It then becomes a mixed sex or unisex space.

Women are 14 times more likely to be assaulted in unisex species like toilets then they are in single sex, female only spaces. So males colonising these spaces - no matter how they identify - puts women and girls at much greater risk.

Why should your friend’s desire for validation (if indeed they feel this) be prioritised over the safety of women and girls?

No, I'm saying that when there is no real difference between Labour and the Conservatives on the issue then they are disserving of equal criticism (actually, perhaps the Tories deserve slightly more, given all their talk on the issue, and their years in power).

You're the person, here, who is focusing endlessly on party politics whilst ignoring the lack of divergence in action between the parties on the issue.

Starmer said that single sex spaces should be protected

Do you have a link to how they will be protected by law? Eg toilets and changing rooms

Surely it's not hard to back up an often repeated claim that they will be protected.

Oh, and Rosie Duffield, Labour Women's declaration beginning banned from conference (they were allowed this year) You can't deny they were treated incredibly badly for standing up for women.

Labour brought in the GRA because they were found to be breaking the law. The Tories didn't get rid off it whilst in power and have never promised they would.

As for holding on to self ID, May wanted to bring it in. She was stopped by that bastion of rationality, Truss.

You're shaking your fist at clouds.

Totally agree.

And in the words of Grandpa Simpson

"I used to be with IT but then they changed what IT was. Now what I'm with isn't IT. and what's IT seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too"

They are protected under the Equality Act which provides an exemption to a GRC. If you type "Equality Act 2010" you'll find it online.

so many questions …
Do you really think that life is that simple?
Is that how you explain all historical events? The biological attributes of different groups?
Do you apply that reasoning when analysing histories of colonisation?

you do realise that not all males are strong and not all females are weak feeble ? Are weak/ small men then part of the oppressed, and large, strong women part of the oppressors? why not?

Do you not see that it’s a problem to suggest that male violence against women, and women’s subjugation to men is coded in biology? As if it were a natural phenomenon rather than a social problem? do you not see that that type of reasoning is the entire basis of the patriarchy? That it’s the natural and order of things that men have power and women don’t?
Rape culture is also founded on that type of reasoning, child marriage, I could go on.

Anyways, I don’t think we are going to come to any understanding here, so should probably call it quits and rejoin the larger conversation.

“Look in the mirror”

Bill Maher speech

There was divergence at the GE, changing the EqA which I assume Labour voters did not want

Also I notice pp saying they don't care / no one cares at the same time as pointing to shifts for politicians. It's due to women who HAVE actually created backlash that there is this shift at all. And no thanks to pp who have worked against that.

You're shaking your fist at clouds.

No idea what you're going on about but I'll apply this to you.

Labour brought in the GRA, had Self ID for longer and only just changed with Bryson, and later made some meaningless noise with JKR pre GE and no change for EqA

Much slower and only due to fantastic women speaking up was there much of a shift at all. You may not wish to be part of that group, but without them you'd still have Labour back where they were with Self ID.