I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

its more complex than “traditional” values and women’s roles.
Trumps own views more nuanced - he hires/appoints women to sr roles, do not keeping them traditional. He can objectify women and also put in high profile jobs.
He gave abortion legislation to states to decide.

Do think that because he does not have strict rules that define supported, is how he attracted voters who are more flexible in their own views.

Harris and Dems views can appear to be rigid, check off the list on beliefs. Like can a voter support Harris, and also support Israel? Support Equal rights but want women only spaces, support Harris but also be pro-life? Harris team thinks in terms of everyone wants free trans surgery for prisoners, all blacks vote this, Hispanics vote that, Muslims vote this this, women lie to husband about vote …. These People don’t vote based on their color/religion/sex just as white men don’t just vote Trump. Harris team was more stereotyping voters which was ugly.

Trump is very transparent and he appeals to the majority of American women which speaks for itself. There's really not that much nuance there.

Though funnily enough you talk about nuance then dismiss Harris with a checklist.

You say Harris stereotypes people when Trump talked about immigrants eating people's pets. He's the dictionary definition of divisive.

Are you kidding me? She lost voters in Michigan because of her stance with Israel they were Arabs so yes of course they can actually I think that she was quite fine with what she said. I think she was playing both cards..
also she actually said to a catholic woman I watched this interview they approached her after she did a meeting somewhere and she said listen. I’m not telling you that you have to have an abortion. I’m not telling you that you can even think abortions are right what I am saying is that every woman should have the right to have a choice over medical care for herself. . And you may be pro life, but you don’t get the right to decide what another woman should do.
and nobody was saying that a woman had to lie to their husband it was an advert actually voiced by Julia Roberts because some women were saying they would vote for the Democrats but that comes to a point. Why should any woman have to lie to their husband about what they vote for? Unless the maga lot were absolutely disgusting in trying to control women? In fact I remember the leading of turning point going absolutely mental over that point really and yet women vote for this God knows why

You say Harris stereotypes people when Trump talked about immigrants eating people's pets

That was horrendous. How can people have taken him seriously after he came out with that shit?!
I've seen an upturn in racism against local takeaways along the same vein recently on FB, I've no doubt that they're emboldened in spouting their bile because of people like him in power. 😓

Also don’t forget one of the most disturbing lie when he claimed doctors will abort a child after it is born. Of course more people would want to ban abortions after hearing this.

Trans 'rights' are in direct conflict with women's rights. When men identify as women then the protections put in place for women - historically a left wing position - are destroyed. You can see it in the sobbing 17-year-old female footballer banned for asking a bearded opponent 'are you a man?' and for women locked up with men who identify as women in prison. It is not socially right wing to object to the destruction of women's rights.

I'm reminded of that old phrase that the right regards women as private property, and the left regards them as public property.

Anyway, I’m more concerned about politics impact on MY household, could care less about a trans convicted criminal or if Trump repeats headlines about hungry people eating cats & dogs. (The same headlines in UK not long ago about the Queen’s Swans …)

Economy.
I’m a envious that America is looking energized
Whilst UK economic outlook looking no growth and austerity…. For a long long time.

I get what you mean in the last line

On the earlier discussion I think we can have controlled humanitarian schemes, as in one of earlier posts, but not with the current set up of people movement by profit

That set up will always bring lack of control, higher risk and deaths

A reminder:

The majority of women in the US voted for Harris.

The majority of men voted for Trump.

A super majority of white Christian men voted for Trump. You know the sort of men - the people who believe that God has designated men to be head of their household, and women to be their subordinate.

Question for you OP - if you weren't reading media content about transgenderism and women's rights, would you still feel oppressed and alienated by transgender people having rights to live as their preferred gender? Because I'm 58 and I'd scarcely know that transgender people exist if I wasn't constantly exposed to the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this issue in the media and on mumsnet.

FWIW - you can argue for stronger controls on immigration without dehumanising or scapegoating migrants.

1. your stats are wrong

2. Yes It would affect me, I have a daughter, in school and a son. It's mental out there, you live in a bubble away from all this, nobody with children, nobody who uses public swimming pools, nobody who uses changing rooms shops, is immune.

Can you? Because my opinion is the country should take zero asylum seekers and only take highly skilled immigrants on a time limited visa. Is that opinion permitted?

This is about male vs female. Not 'transgender'. You don't get to put a wolf in sheeps clothing, slap the label 'trans' on them, and claim that male is safe.

Any and every woman would feel uncomfortable with a male in the ladies or a male stealing the hard work, awards and sports medals of an actual woman. Unless you're a misogynist who despises women and supports male supremacy. That is the only reason you wouldn't feel oppressed and alienated by the male sex tearing down womens rights.

A male is a male is a male, even in sheeps clothing or with a deceptive label to fool the gullible and naive.

Yes it should be a discussion. Unfortunately people retaliate even on that basis

The current system is clearly flawed, why overlook deaths?

Any view on that gets what you've seen on this thread, people are too reactive

In the end people will get fed up, the US just saw a clean sweep on swing states

You KNOW the men?
Jeez. Talk about making assumptions …. You watch too much “tv”

"I’m a envious that America is looking energized
Whilst UK economic outlook looking no growth and austerity…. For a long long time."

That what tends to happen when you vote in a right wing demagogue. At least at the start.

But there's an absolutely huge financial crisis coming its way. Even before covid, Trump's tax cuts increased the government debt by a colossal amount. Those tax cuts will clearly be continued after Trump comes in to office (his tax plan was due to expire next year). This means there's a financial cliff edge that's going to be reached in January next year when the suspension of the debt ceiling expires - and the incoming government will have to decide how to manage this. Many analysts believe it's going to be used as a rationale for colossal federal spending cuts, including to medicare and medicaid, as outlined in Project 2025.

You have not been reading the news.

The colossal federal spending cuts are built in, thats part of the manifesto, smaller government. This is not a mistake or an accident. they are deliberately shrinking the federal state as much as possible. This is a good thing. Musk shrunk the twitter headcount by 80%. Twitter now makes a profit.

Musk was just named the US efficiency czar by trump. he will do the same thing to the US government.

It's not that they don't see a financial crisis coming, it's that their answer is to reduce government spending, in order to meet it.

"You KNOW the men?
Jeez. Talk about making assumptions …. You watch too much “tv”

Do you know anything about Christian Nationalism? The Evangelical church?
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2024/8-november/news/world/white-evangelicals-help-donald-trump-to-regain-the-white-house

"This is a good thing. Musk shrunk the twitter headcount by 80%. Twitter now makes a profit.
Musk was just named the US efficiency czar by trump. he will do the same thing to the US government."

1. X is not profitable and is not expected to be any time soon.
2. The difference is that the people who worked for Twitter went off and got other jobs. People with complex health conditions who lose access to medicare and medicaid will just die quicker, as they will struggle to find insurance, particularly after Trump trashes Obamacare as he has tried to do repeatedly in the past.

I am too tired of this thread to say anything other than that you are wrong.
Obamacare isn't going anywhere, the majority of savings will be from bloated civil service departments. I'm a social healthcare person, mad they don't have it in the states. But thats their choice, not mine.

@IdylicDay

Have reported your post for hate speech.

(Behold, you prove my point - the exact reason why Trump won - and exactly why the left left me)

Thanks SO MUCH everyone for all your thoughts on this, I think 76/24% split is pretty damned conclusive.

The Left - is so consumed with identity politics that it has killed itself

Through clear and obvious over reach it has finally got to the stage where a majority of people think the left has gone quite mad and they have taken the other option, however bad it is, because of the idealogues rush to the extremes.

The worst part about all of this is - minorities, trans identified people, immigrants - they will all be harmed FAR MORE by what the left has done - the far left pushed so far that THEY are the cause of the backlash. Trump was elected BECAUSE activists, thinking they were doing the right thing, pushed men into women's changing rooms, men into little girls sports, ignored the justified concerns of voters about uncontrolled immigration and asylum seekers.

IDENTITY POLITICS IS DEAD AND NOW WE NEED TO BURY IT