I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

I'm now a reform voter because I have something to say about the anti semitism on our streets and Labour doing very little to quell it 🤷 I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, albeit an extremely jaded one. You're a prime example of why people are turning their backs on the party - if we do not think, speak and act in the same way we are somehow right wing bigots. It's authoritarian madness.

I'm not anything, I think with politics too much of anything is bad. Too much capitalism is bad without checks and balances (2008 crash). Too much socialism is bad and it's failed where it's been tried. Too much liberalism is bad. Too much conservatism is bad. Too much religion is bad. It all leads to extremism and extremism is toxic.

I can see where you r coming from

Some of the most right wing youtube channels talk about reclaiming socialism from the left. Something is happening

Quite. Why do there need to be sides? For what? The delineation of good and evil, correct think and wrong think?

The division is actually being perpetuated by those who’d pride themselves on their progressive inclusivity.

So you think it’s the natural order of things that men are the dominant class and women are the oppressed? I mean that’s basically the entire philosophical foundation of the patriarchy- that men are naturally superior to women, because of biology. It’s how they justified denying us property rights, and the vote and stuff.

Unfortunately, fighting economic class inequality also isn't a vote winner these days.

Left wing economic theory is not popular, which is why the major western democracies seem to shift between right wing governments and parties who are economically centrist (if socially left).

Again, I think this is down to the media landscape, where most news sources are controlled by right-wing billionaires and have managed to convince the working and middle classes that trickle-down suits their interests, and that the left wants to take their money.

In the UK, for example, a large section of people are up in arms about inheritance tax. IHT has traditionally only been payable on approx the richest 4% of estates but, when polled, around a third of Brits think it'll impact them. What people are told, and what they come to believe, does not resemble reality.

The middle class is shrinking and squeezed, the working class are getting poorer, but the billionaire funded media keep them onside by pretending the left would take money out of the poorests' pockets, and/or leveraging culture war issues. The left are also, generally, held to a much, much higher moral standard than the right.

You claim you are not a right ring. Bigot You have just voted for bloody reform party who heads up with Nigel. Ferrage, who have had to get rid of quite a lot of racist people in their own party who have a history of stirring up tension, particularly with the riots in the summer time.So please don't ever say you're not when you've just voted for that party

Disagree, left wing economics is popular. It's just the side serving of identity politics that is always tagged on which isn't. Wealth redistribution policies always poll as popular

A little how Hitler pretended to do that by calling his party national socialist party

You might want to read my post on page 2. Thanks for the apology.

you do realise the irony of proving my point right?

The big thing that troubles me now about Labour, is that it feels like there is a list of things you must support and if you don’t support, or question the left beliefs that are on that list you are wrong/bad.
Feels very sheep mentality.

After the budget, I’m disagreeing with a lot. The “working people” … I look at those people on the benches at PM Questions and think what eff do they know about working people? And that Rayner sitting there in a 1950s prom dress … she used to be a working person but now thinking she’s peddling frocks or attention seeking. She just wants her dress to be headlines so she can say it’s sexist.

It forces you to consider yourself maybe actually a Tory. it seems like in Tory, you can have more independent thoughts.

Maybe you are correct. Maybe it's because some of us absolutely find it absolutely abhorrent that some people would think donald trump is fine, given everything he is said even that he said the other week about shooting Liz Cheney. Maybe for some of us, it isn't about words or even about debates on here. It's about real life issues, so when I see things are being discussed that actually can have an actual effect on people's lives. I can't really sit there and go oh, it's just an opinion. Oh. Well, it actually hurts people, so maybe for some of us. That's why we see aside. I mean, it's like the fascist thing, isn't it? Would you have sat there? And allowed German people to be taken off, or would you have said something and stood up? Because it only takes good people to do nothing, and that's exactly where I am right now, with everything that's going on

Yeah, the billionaire/establishment class that really set the agenda are happy to promote social liberalism/leftist ideas as long as we don't push left economical. They rely on neoliberalism enriching them while everyone else gets poorer.

Aren’t you the same people who insist over and over again that “biology” is immutable? Now you are suggesting we rail against it? But According to your own position we just fighting the inevitable- our own subjugation which is apparently encoded in our DNA!

I don't need to read it. You're going to put something like I reluctantly voted for them. Well, you still voted for them. You still voted and empowered a party like that. I'm sorry, but I could never ever do that.Doesn't matter what the reasons are

Translation of this word salad: “I CARE and you don’t because you’re literally A NAZI SYMPATHISER”.

Take what you think out of what I said prob is to many are not seeing the impact of their stance anymore

Whilst supporting identity politics, refusing to make any real statement on emigration but the status quo and refusing say what a woman is.

Right I have absolutely no idea what you're on about at this point. Where did I say I voted for bloody reform?! What part of my posts are you not reading ? I AM A LABOUR VOTER. I have never voted any differently. But I'm mightily frustrated with the left right now.

Whereas good old trump- he’ll say what a woman is ! - a pussy! - and then grab it! MAGA! 🙌🏻👏🏻

And yet Trump was just voted in over economic concerns.

I also hate the notion that identity politics are a left wing thing. The American right is peddling a radical Christian Nationalist version of their country, which runs directly contrary to the founding principles of the country. Britain voted for Brexit, against its economic interests, but based on vague notions of patriotism and Britishness. Right wing economic theory has nothing to offer 95% of either countries' populace, all they do is wage cultural, identity-politics campaigns.

You don’t have a point.

So this is your post which you are kind of saying, you are going that way so I was correct and you are wrong as well.Because I am working class myself but I understand that the ills of the society is not because of migration.You can understand that.Then you need to educate yourself. Classic divide in conquer strategy and poor people like yourselves are falling for it again and this is exactly what happened in Germany. I see the same relevance going on. It always happens when the economy goes poor it's history, rinse and repeat