Totally disgusted by those rioting in Southport

[Bex5490]

Southport has experienced the most unbelievable tragedy.

Their emergency services had to respond to probably the most traumatic calls they’ve ever had, yet tonight they are being attacked by thugs?

The latest is that these people are destroying people’s homes to get bricks with which to throw at the police.

I am heartbroken, bewildered and disgusted. How dare they destroy the homes of that grieving town.

Thanks for sharing that article. I found it interesting.

I agree. It’s easy to be welcoming to all sorts of immigration when you live in a 2m house somewhere in a leafy suburb confident that there won’t be a melting pot of clashing cultures moving into your street…

Again for the people at the back… can someone explain what mass murder by a British citizen has to do with a “melting pot of clashing cultures moving into your street”?

Also the EDL thugs and their apologists on here seem to have forgotten that one of the murdered children was herself from an immigrant family, she was an English/Portuguese dual national. But this is conveniently deemed irrelevant to the debate.

The country is not like a powder keg.

What a load of rubbish.

It's just a handful of racist troublemakers that want everyone to think that.

My town is full of immigrants and refugees and all the better for it. The town pull together and take care of them - the children are thriving at school alongside ours, we love the languages and foods this has brought to our town. It has made us richer.

What happened last night was racist, anti-muslim violence from RW thugs inspired by the lies of "Bad Actors" particularly Vladimir Putin.

Their opinion is not equally valid, it's scummy behaviour from people so stupid, they'll attack and damage their our country.

Anti terror police are becoming increasingly concerned by young men being groomed into and excited by the idea of violence. It's their only real ideology. Combined with or excused by whatever they think they can blame...women, Jewish people, blacks, Muslims,all immigrants . The likes of online extreme pornography, Andrew Tateism, EDLetc fuel this.The example given earlier this week about why it is so terrifying is that many are 17 or 18 and many can grab a knife or a vehicle. The Dark Web eggs them on.

The people who moan most about immigration are not those actually affected by it. They may well be those whose lives are going downhill, and they blame immigration , but that doesn't make them right

But they are not prepared to discuss their problems and listen to others they just throw bricks

They are arrogant criminals who think they know best and are prepared to use violence and other peoples grief to try and force their view on others

And if they succeed and immagration is stopped who will they blame next for taking their jobs - women I would suspect

If plain decency doesn't tell you that, then a stranger on the internet certainly can't.

How many generations would you like people to live here to be British, I wonder?

It’s rubbish. The EDL are criminal. They showed that last night.

A discussion about immigration is totally separate. Why should the country have to tolerate violent criminals tearing up English towns so they feel heard?

These creeps love violence; it is an excuse to indulge their racism.

We are a civilized country and can have a discussion about immigration without enabling a bunch of racists. It’s just they would rather it wasn’t so.

You can decide if this is right or wrong but in the Leeds case the police made an informed decision that piling in would exacerbate the situation. They decided to monitor the situation from a distance and by helicopter. What they didn't do is 'run away'. I'm sure that there will be those in Leeds who broke the law who will be brought in front of the courts. However, the news cycle will by then have moved on.

Certainly in the Manchester Airport case there was a serious attack against police officers. However, it is not the job of the police to dispense justice. It is their job to keep the peace and protect the public. Their job was to restrain the suspects and take them into custody not go all Judge Dredd on them. It is up to the courts to decide on a punishment - not for a police officer. That's the UK system. If we allow the police to dispense justice where will it end? I imagine you'll be pretty unhappy if the outcome of not paying your TV license means you get your head stamped on rather than have a court case.

I agree that the far right, and I suspect some foreign players who would like disruption in the UK have stoked the fire. You only have to look at X to see the repetitive tweets to now there's some organisation.

If the perpetrator originally has Rwandan heritage it's pretty unlikely they are Muslim. Even if they were, there is no condoning the violence in Southport (of all places). If you even tentatively condone it you are playing right into the hands of those in whose interests it is to promote hate and divide people.

If one of the Southport rioters had their head stamped on by the police I imagine they'd be squealing like pigs about it. Which is ironic given those very same people are probably cheering about the Manchester Airport officer.

Apart from being illegal and extremely stupid, the worst thing about this is the utter disrespect to the grieving families in Southport. There is no defence whatsoever.

Not really, it's possible to be born in the UK but not have British citizenship - the UK does not practice jus soli as for example the US or France do. However, he was certainly not an immigrant as a PP claimed as the police have said he was born in Cardiff.

Ah, how privileged we are to walk among giants like yourselves who are so decent that they take time to lecture us on the internet. Honestly, the world would be feral if it wasn’t for self righteous lecturers like yourself on this vast expanse.

People are confusing nationality and culture.

Of course people’s nationality can be British AND their culture be influenced by non western principles/norms. It’s the culture clash people are concerned with.

Some people believe having many cultures in the UK can be enriching, others believe that multiculturalism can lead to disharmony.

This is a conversation that needs to be had.

This is what normal people do in Britain. They don't let the thugs win.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3gr5ljyz41t

Are the EDL, pulling down people's front walls ,having a conversation?

They didn’t just tear up an English town, they targeted a community already reeling in shock from an attack that defies comprehension. Utterly indefensible and inhumane. They are the lowest of the lowest of the low.

The people of Southport quietly picking up the pieces, supporting one another and coming together are more worthy of our attention.

Except I do live in such an area of different cultures and I'm not a racist thug.

I am from another culture. It's a fallacy to think liberalism, kindness, secularism and an emphasis on education and hard work are confined to native British people. As we know from what that other Welshman Huw Edwards has been up to.
Was Kyle Clifford part of a culture clash?

Yes. Is this English culture? I say no. It’s criminal culture

I think it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about here. If you re-read my post, you'll see what I said was "if its repeatedly people of one particular religion who are by and large the main perpetratos of these types of attacks".

Not this specific attack, but these types of attacks.

I don't think this is correct. Judges tend to come down extremely hard on rioters. Ones off the top of my head include 5 months for receiving an item of clothing that had been looted during the Manchester riots, and 6 months for looting a bottle of water in the 2011 London riots.

After 2011 there were sentences of four years for incitement on social media, for people who didn't even attend the riot they incited.

@Twistybranch

Some people believe having many cultures in the UK can be enriching, others believe that multiculturalism can lead to disharmony.

This is a conversation that needs to be had.

But how can you have a discussion about his culture if you know nothing about it?

Again, all we for certain about this individual is that he was born in the UK and of Rwandan heritage.

What else is there to go on? We know most people from Rwanda are Christian, the same as the official religion of the UK. So nothing that points to a “clash of cultures” in the way which people are insinuating. So when you talk about “culture”, what are you actually talking about? The only point of known difference about this individual from mainstream indigenous British people is that he is black.

Of course it would be. If Catholics were carrying out random attacks like this in our society today, and it was shown that it was a repeated problem, then yes, it should be spoken about and tackled. Why wouldn't it be reasonable?

OK, but as we still have absolutely no idea at this point what his motives were or what "ideology" he may or may not have subscribed to and how that may or may not intersect with any MH issue he may or may not have, that leaves the question of what exactly were the far Right rent a mob last night protesting (far from peacefully) about? It certainly wasn't Nazi occultism.

We all know why they were there and who the targets were and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.

What religion was the person who carried out the attack in Southport?