To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

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I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

Amazing how someone comes on, wanting everyone to play nice and immediately insults everyone by starting the cis crap. Which isn't allowed on here.

Respect is a 2 way street. Something I see is lacking in this issue.

I agree with JK Rowling on this issue.

Female people should have equal rights and opportunities to male people, and where this is not already the case, particular efforts should be made to give female people the extra protection and opportunities they need.

THIS is feminism 101.

Nothing to do with "cis". "Cis" as a concept is entirely antithetical to feminism.

please don’t dismiss the sporty girls . Girls who have put the hours in, got up at 2am for their entire childhood to get the swimming pool for training. The girls who have done sport at lunchtimes/ after school / weekends. Girls who want to be competitive. Girls who sport is their outlet. Girls, who sport could be a passport to be a better life.

men have an advantage in ALL sports from chess/darts/snooker to boxing/wrestling. The advantage might be physical but it also might be just socialisation (eg only ‘nerdy girls play chess’) and opportunities. (Female sports get far less sponsorship so less are able to do it financially).

saying ‘I don’t think my concerns over sports trump someone’s right to live’ I find very offensive. For many girls this is their life and career. Dismissing winners sports as some sort of frivolity but yet not men’s sports is offensive to those girls. Men are not at risk of any biological women entering their sport. In fact trans men seem to always stay in biological women’s sport as they would not be able to compete otherwise. Women who do sport as children are often more confident and go on to take more leadership positions.

please do not dismiss this girls so frivolously. I am all for people living their lives but not at the expense of others

Me! 🙋🏻‍♀️ probably the opposite to most people on here, super pro-trans and feel at home with the queer community :) I think we can all find so much middle ground when we don’t sit in online echo chambers getting outraged but that’s just my
opinion! I do read the feminism threads on here sometimes but my god it is a lot, do find the infighting between the inevitably large right-wing % of gender critical people and the more left wing quite funny. Recent highlight was someone who said middle class white women were being relegated to second class citizens if we got a Labour government.

Yes, hi 👋

Yep. Anything else is transphobic'. And when has it been kind to lie and affirm lies? So so depressing.

Does basic respect extend to me? I'm a survivor of male domestic violence. I don't want males in the next hospital bed to me, in the next toilet cubicle to me, in the room if I'm discussing the violence against me. Do I deserve a single sex space? Yes or no?

I don't consider myself anti trans. I think the solution is gender neutral toilets and changing rooms. Actually remember first time used gender neutral toilets at a theatre and was shocked by how quickly the lines moved. But I can see why advocating for safe spaces for women is important.

I do not believe that transwomen should be able to compete in female sports. I do believe there is a biological sex that you are born. I also have concerns that there is actually not enough research or data on gender dysphoria and the social expectations.

Not sure whether it's relevant to say so, but in my many years of using the gents when I couldn't get into the ladies quick enough, I've never been attacked. I'm not sure trans women run that great a risk by using the sex-appropriate facility.

Another person with a small bladder here and no I have not been attacked. In fact I have had a man say he will stand outside the door (door to toilets not to the cubicle) so no one else will come in.

I'm neither pro or anti trans. People can live their lives how they like as long as it doesn't infringe on other people. Men pretending to be woman and wanting to gain access to single sex spaces and women's sport is a hard no from me. But that doesn't make me 'anti' anything.

I hate how this 'anti' agenda is pushed - women's views are being defined as how they relate to a subset of men, rather than as being a standalone 'pro' women stance.

Quite. It strikes me that the trans allies ire is misdirected.

And the term cis is, largely, used as a deliberate slur. If you're using the term cis, you're part of the problem.

Exactly. Define what a woman is without using the word woman or female. It can't be done.

@FrenchFancie This is not Gay 2.0. The gay struggle is nothing remotely like trans.

You don't understand the fuss about not wanting a male body in the ladies? Really? Ever spoken to a rape survivor? Ever wondered why male and female spaces are separated by sex, in the first place?

And sorry to tell you, but the attitudes towards trans is going more to a shift of anti, as each year passes. Poll after poll after poll shows a gradual decrease of people supporting trans, the more trans push themselves on women. Feminists are now fighting back. And guess what? We're winning the argument. In 10 years time, as the misogynistic and medical scandal that is trans is dead, we will all wonder how we were so brainwashed into sterilising children and removing womens single sex spaces because of (until recently) very successful Mens Rights movement in the trans ideology. There is a reason Gender Ideology is losing this war.

As long as it gives the nurses somewhere to undress without encountering that individual, yep happy to accept a female changing area reserved for cis woman only. Glad we are on the same page.

I'm not bothered either way tbf It's not something I encounter frequently ( knowingly )

But it is similar!

i remember the talk about ‘not letting lesbians into our changing rooms because they will try and assault girls and women’ and ‘it’s fair enough to be gay but you wouldn’t want to share a toilet with them!’ And ‘backs to the walls lads!! Backs to the walls!’.

the talk was very very similar. Be gay if you must, but don’t do it in public, don’t dare to be gay unless you can pass for straight, and then don’t you dare talk about your same sex partner for fear of losing your home / job / friends.

the parallels between homosexuals in the 1980s and trans people now are really quite strong.

Now I know this is a spoof thread.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67144375.amp

To all the posters worrying about cis women feeling comfortable in rape crisis centres...why do you think a trans woman might be there? Because she has been raped and is in crisis and seeking care.

There is no fucking third space, by the way. Trans women are raped. They should be able to seek care. Regardless of transphobes' feelings.

I’m a woman. Not a (made up word) ‘cis’ woman.

I’m not anti-trans. I believe women deserve protected spaces and trans-women do not have the right to access them. Nor should they be allowed to compete in sporting events as women.

Spectacular missing of the point by you and others.

Some MEN are predators. Not all, but a lot. How do we tell which ones are genuine trans, which ones are fetishists, and which ones aren't trans at all but have figured out how easy it is to get into womens' spaces these days?

That's right, we can't - to ask questions or put in any boundaries is transphobic.

If genuine transwomen are really that scared of being assaulted by men, you'd think they'd be the first ones campaigning put some rules in place to keep impostors out of safe spaces.

This. Please stop calling yourself a cis woman.

Would you want him using female toilets? I can imagine the MN posts now...

Why don't all the trans allies put their energies into bringing down the stats on male violence against women and girls? Then women might not mind sharing spaces with them. Sports aside due to the physiological advantages clearly.

NAMALT obvs, I have a lovely male partner. He's not allowed into women's spaces either despite me being confident he'd never harm a fly, no matter what his inner feelings may be tomorrow.

People band about 'anti trans' and 'transphobia' at the slightest, most stupid things it has lost all meaning and credibility. I do not care one jot if wanting sex based spaces and sports is anti trans.

Men's feelings don't trump women's right to safety and dignity and if you have a problem with that then that's a you problem. Take it up with the men. Trans people have the same rights as anyone else.