To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

Oh and by the way I'm a cis woman

I don't know if I'm pro-trans, but I'm not anti-trans per se.
I don't agree that young people should be pushed into hormone taking and surgery. I am aware that there is a need for women only spaces with the women in them being xx chromosomed.
I'm aware that there are toxic gender stereotypes all around.
I'm aware that ND children may feel a closer affinity with trans identities.
I know (in social circles) 2 transwomen. They live as female, they are, what people might call "woke" and I have no issue with them.

There should be a space for everyone to feel safe, and live as they wish (and love as they wish) as long as they don't harm themselves or others. It feels as though there are 2 different battles going on: the matter of living in a strictly gendered world , and the matter of gradually eroding women and their rights.

I am a trans ally. I work with transgender people and as such, a number of my colleagues (who are also friends) are transgender. Both MtF and FtM. My brother is too, and a very close friend.

As far as I'm concerned, you could identify as a teapot and I'd respect that. Just be a decent human being (or teapot) and we're good.

what a breath of fresh air! Have been hoping for a conversation like this. And hoping it doesn't get hijacked. I am also an ally and friends with trans men and women, mostly through work. I am a cis woman. I have been struck by the virulence on here against trans people. Thanks for starting this thread.

I’m not anti trans. I just don’t believe women’s spaces should be used by trans women. There needs to be a neutral third space.

You're a woman. You do not need a special word to clarify that you are an adult female, and no subsets of women exist.

Me.

My son is trans. He's nearly 30, post surgery.
He has a regular job, and just goes about his daily business.

There's no drama.

That is a bullshit made-up term. You are a woman. And you were a woman or perhaps a young girl before this "cis" bullshit started. No-one says "cis girl" do they (I hope not).

I am fine with adults changing sex, if they really feel the need. I am not fine with the butchering of language and the removal of safe spaces for women and girls.

Cus woman who has trans/gender fluid friends and family. I also don't really care who I pee next to as long as there's a cubicle altogether that's probably more about my lack of pelvic floor rather than any strong identity feeling

*although

Mother of a transwoman here who just gets on with her life. She refuses to use public toilets though because she's too scared to use them, even if I am with her.

Depends how you are defining your terms, OP.

If being "pro trans" means you believe trans people should be free to live their lives as they please, free from oppression, discrimination and harassment, provided they aren't harming anyone else, then I expect you will find that almost everyone on Mumsnet (and in wider society) is "pro trans".

If being "anti trans" means understanding that humans can't change sex and sometimes sex matters, and believing that women should be allowed single sex spaces and sports and that we shouldn't be performing irreversible medical interventions on children and young people with gender related distress, then I expect you will find that most people on Mumsnet (and in wider society) are "anti trans".

Would she like there to be additional spaces for trans people?

This is anti trans

Yes me. When i first started reading posts on here about trans people I thought i was misreading, i couldn't believe how Transphobic this site was, still don't get it.

Wrong.

This always interests me.

Where do you draw the line? What about trans men? (Rhetorical Qs btw(

Should my transfemale colleague, who has been taking female hormones for 10 years, who has natural breasts and has vaginoplasty surgery use male toilets in the absence of a neutral space?

My transmale brother is 6ft tall, muscular, tattooed, bearded, has had top surgery but not bottom. Should he use female toilets?

In my experience, toilets are one of the big issues for trans people, and until they "pass" as the gender they identify, they will always opt for a gender neutral facility wherever possible.

It's not a good idea to position being pro women's rights as being anti trans. Either society finds a way to accommodate both trans people and people who need single sex spaces, or one group will win and the other group will lose. Making "trans rights" dependent on women losing theirs will only cause support for trans rights to decline, for quite obvious reasons. I am not sure why LGBTQ+ groups take this approach, it seems obviously counterproductive to me.

What about trans men? Should there be a fourth space too?

MN allows a lot of transphobia.

This is the position of basically all the GC posters on MN.

Examples?

Pretty much all posts about trans people.

I'm pro-women.

If defending women's (female) rights means being anti-trans, then transgenderism is an anti-women movement.

If wanting female only spaces for our daughters makes us anti trans, then I guess that’s most of the mums I know. Who in their right mind wants boys sharing the showers with their girls?

Dress how you like, call yourself what you like, I don’t care, but if you want to shower with my daughter and you are a biological male then I’m afraid I do care very much.