To ask who you are voting for?

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Labour
Tories
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
SNP (Scotland)

And why?

Sure, but Labour enacted the GRA in the first place and Labour want to make getting a GRC even easier and, unlike the Tories, haven’t woken up to the issues it poses despite all the evidence under their noses.

yes, because Tories done so much for women (especially the old-fashioned type ones) during the last 14 years. So, you want more of the same? Hilarious.

Well, the Communists are giving women's rights a lot of thought and attention. I'd definitely be voting for them if they were in my area and may well be joining them regardless of the election result.
www.communistparty.org.uk/a-charter-for-women/

Many thanks to the OP who started the thread about Communists last week, it has got me thinking.

Voting Green as my local candidate is by far the best for my area, she wants immediate ceasefire, and some of their policies need a lot more airtime.

The GRA was introduced by the Labour Party. A *cross party group" made a number of recommendations to update the act in 2015, one of those recommendations was self ID. All parties accepted the recommendations. At no point in this process were any women's groups consulted. Womens groups demanded a consultation when they found out what was proposed.

Whilst all this was going in Stonewall had been selling DEI courses to businesses and misrepresenting the EA by claiming gender identity and gender rather than sex and gender reassignment were protected characteristics. They claimed they were getting ahead of the law! They also campaigned to have sex as a protected characteristic removed from the EA, something they later denied but the internet is forever.

The EA 2010 contains single sex exemptions which means men with or without a GRC can lawfully be excluded from women's spaces if it's a proportionate means to achieving a legitimate aim.

Thanks to Stonewalls influence we now find ourselves in a situation where businesses and organisations who could have lawfully excluded men from womens spaces are too afraid too or too on board with "Stonewall Law".

And then Judge Lady Haldane threw a spanner in the works by claiming that the definition of sex is not limited to biological or birth sex! Don't worry it was only to do with the minor matter of "gender balance" on public sector boards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63956604

The government were intending to update the EA to clarify that sex meant biological sex. Labour does not intend to do this. They intend to make it easier to obtain a GRC and allow men who have them to use women's spaces. Despite the Labour party's efforts to dodge the question Bridget Phillipson eventually admitted it.

Https://x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1805374261764538423

This is happening all over the western world where the UK Tory party have not been in power.

How do you both feel about them militarising the police and privatising the NHS? I could never vote for either of those things

Well, clearly not SNP. They’ve done nothing in the last 17 years…

I have 2 concerns:

1. I don’t want my young son coming home from school thinking he’s really a girl, and that position being supported.

2. I don’t want any more men in boats being holed up in hotels at taxpayer expense.

I don’t care what has to be done to achieve the above.

fuck the police, and fuck the NHS. Yes the situation is that bad that I did really say that.

Jesus christ, you're a moron.

No, I’m a realist. You’re delusional and don’t see what’s happening out there.

The police don’t function, and the NHS is fucked anyway, and none of the mainstream parties will cure either.

Then neither of you are fully getting the detail here or empathising with the psychology of those of us in this position.

I’m 50 and centre left and have always voted either Labour or Lib Dem. This time I’m faced with a choice of either voting Tory or spoiling my ballot. I can’t possibly vote Labour or Lib Dem or Green, as their misogynist policies will completely screw women and children over. I don’t have an SDP or independent candidate standing in my constituency.

I’m not quite sure what has happened in our democracy that has got us to a point where there is no left of centre party to vote for if you give a shit about women, but here we are. I’m furious with Labour and the Lib Dems. They’ve made me politically homeless and they don’t deserve my vote.

I believe you should vote if you can…but this time around I will probably be spoiling my ballot paper as I really don’t think any of the parties are a good option for me and I can’t decide which party would be the least worst option.

You are free to think that, @Onomatofear, and it's probably an easy salve for you, as you seem unable to believe that many women are truly horrified and terrified about the removal of women's rights.

But you don't speak for me.

I would be DELIGHTED to have a non-conversative option to vote for (out of Labour, Green, Lib Dem - not Reform).

But I can not and will not vote for a party that includes the removal of women's rights in its beliefs and manifesto. I will not vote for Labour and Keir Starmer.

Which leaves me with only Conversative to select, or spoil my vote, which is a likely option.

They the SNP introduced the Scottish child payment? Each child gets an extra over £100 a month?
@tuvamoodyson

So, must be much improved then?

There are options, but maybe not in your constituency. Who's likely to win in your seat?

@NextPhaseOfLife to me it makes no sense that people say the Tories will stand up for women's rights when Boris Johnson voted for misogyny not to be a hate crime, as another poster stated.

If the Tories say they know what a woman is, then it will come from a place of being anti-trans rather than pro-women.

Tories. There is precious little to choose between them in terms of policy (unless you have a kid at independent school), so I will vote for the party that is not intent on dismantling women’s and children’s protections. So it has to be conservative. I’m in a hotly contested seat so hopefully can keep labour out.

Lib Dem. First time not voting Labour. I believe strongly in voting for the best party for society and not my own interests but I can't on this occasion. Starmer defines working families as those who rely on public services. It's made me realise that I'm just not in the demographic he cares about. And could never vote Tory.

Reform. I hope my kids will able to leave home one day and have reasonably priced accommodation that isn't full of illegal immigrants.

@SlothOnARope

Labour are likely to win.

I don't think that matters to the "feminists" of Mumsnet.

It seems as long as the person in question denounces trans people it doesn't matter what that person has or hasn't done for women - as shown by all the support kemi badenoch was garnering the other day, despite her continually voting against women - for example voting against legislation that would enable women to access safer abortions. There's no evidence that she done anything to improve things for women but she's a hero to some Mumsnetters apparently.

@Onomatofear At the very minimum, the conservatives know that being able to state the definition of a biological woman is a differentiator for them.

It's one that is vitally important to me. I can not vote for a party that cares so little about the value of my very biology.

Voting Green- one reason only and that is the climate crisis. Whoever gets in to power has to take it deadly seriously and sadly Labour have rowed back on the green new deal and their climate pledges.
Also all of Carla Denyer, Adrian Ramsay and Sian Berry come across as decent people whose voices in Parliament would be great. Why we have to hear people like Farage and Tice all the time and barely ever the greens I don’t know.

@Itsprobablynotcominhome

Where have I said I expect parties to denounce trans-anyone?

You're deliberately being inflammatory.

What makes you think i was addressing you?