To think that botox, fillers, and other facial procedures are becoming too common?

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I've just seen the recent pictures of the lovely Shania Twain. She's had so much facial work done that she looks unrecognizable! I find this such a shame given how naturally beautiful she's always been!

I also feel that facial work is causing a division between rich and poor women. I'm not sure what the answer to this is though?

Just live and let live is my motto on this stuff. I haven't had any facial work done but if I wanted to, I would without a second thought to how other people view me. I would only do stuff like this for myself anyway, my husband would probably hate it but oh well.

All of those things are common, full stop.
People have no idea how to grow old gracefully and with style. Rather, they think looking like a trout-lipped plastic doll is attractive.

Yeah I agree! I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but more and more people I know are having "tweaks" whereas before it felt like plastic surgery was just for celebrities.

Not sure about divide between rich/poor though - we are all council round here and loads of the girls have had botox/fillers etc and none are particularly well-off.

Agreed. I hate the thought of our beautiful young girls thinking its necessary. It looks really awful when its obvious.

I agree, OP it’s a horrible trend. Of course people should be free to live and look as they wish but we don’t live in a vacuum. There’s a general feeling that if you choose not to take this route you are one of those women who have “let themselves go” IYKWIM. I have had none of these procedure and feel a bit unkempt and scruffy around women who have, even if I have made an effort!

Virtually everything which can be bought causes a division between rich and poor. It’s like saying that organic fruit and high welfare meat are causing a division because poor people are less likely to be able to afford them.

I’m really not that invested in what other people want to do with their bodies. If Shania Twain wants to do something to her face and is happy with the results then I shouldn’t imagine for a moment that my opinion is of interest to her.

I disagree. I take great care of my skin and am well groomed, but wouldn't go near botox etc. I do not feel remotely 'unkempt' next to the overbotoxed girls I see. If anything, I think that they look a bit rough and older than their age.

I think it shows more about who’s really vain and vacuous and who’s not, as opposed to a wealth thing. It NEVER LOOKS GOOD. And most people are too polite to tell you.

Women are getting it younger and younger and it isn’t a good look. My neighbour (who is a good bit older than me and has always looked great) has also started getting it and I have to say, it doesn’t make her look younger or better. My face is ageing but at least I still look like me.

Noth8ng to do with wealth. Some will go to Turkey, or the salon in Manchester offering 'fascials', other will go to Harley street
Common either way

And the hands and neck will always give your age away...

Well part of the reason so many people have botox/fillers/procedures done now is because they are cheaper and more accessible than they used to be - so I don't think the rich/poor divide is that significant. Really rich people have access to an overall healthier lifestyle that keeps them in good nick, that's where the inequality lies.

I don't have any procedures myself, but I don't think I could muster up the energy to care what other people do. The hyper fake look with loads of fillers and lip stuff is a trend that seems to be slowly dying anyway.

It’s not just rich people getting these.

I am in my fifties and feel sad for the gorgeous young women who are tweaking their lovely faces. The beautiful 18y old who washes my hair at the salon now has regular sunbed sessions and lip fillers. The first is downright dangerous and the second does not make her look better.

I watched ‘ married at first sight’ the other day. So many women had fake lips, that they looked really disfigured. I really don’t mean to be nasty.

I just wish it wasn’t so.

Luckily my 19y old girl is immune to this so far.

The problem is not the wide usage but the amount of young women feeling the need to have anything done.

Of course people should be free to live and look as they wish but we don’t live in a vacuum

that’s the issue, I work with young adults & many think it’s completely normal to have want fillers/Botox in their early 20s. They are under so much pressure, I do feel for them.

Absolutely. A woman on my Facebook advertises Botox from £90 and lip fillers from £50 😳 fuck knows how she makes a profit with that. Dread to think what she’s using.

I've had Botox regularly, about twice a year now as ironically it seems to last longer the older I get 😄I started when I was 30 but I hate the thought of young people in their twenties starting down the slippery slope because it does become addictive & fillers can be totally hit & miss, I've had my lips done twice over the years & both times I loved the result, it was very subtle, so much so my boyfriend at the time didn't notice probably because I kept my distance for a day or two while the swelling subsided!

I certainly wouldn't have anything done by someone who isn't a medical professional & the idea of "Botox/filler Parties" would put the fear of god into me as would having it done at a beauticians, Like for the sake of €250/300 go to a doctor! So maybe that's what you're talking about? Maybe some people are priced out of it so would be more inclined to have it done by someone who did an online course & so it looks dodgy & obvious?

I have another perspective. I was about 56 and I had always had dark circles (tear troughs) under my eyes, even when I was a teenager. They got worse and worse. I didn't look older really, but just like I was very very tired. My skin was (and still is) very good, and I take good care of it. But the undereye circles just kept on getting worse. The final straw came one day at work, on a day when I thought I was looking absolutely fine, in fact really good. I was well-rested, had no particular problems etc, and I was bouncing about the office feeling fine. A bitch colleague passed me in the corridor and did a double take: "OMG angsty are you OK? You look exhausted, what has happened?".

I didn't care if I was aging, everyone does, but I hated the idea that I looked so "exhausted" that people were feeling sorry for me. On a day when I had thought I looked particularly bright eyed and bushy tailed.

I went to have tear trough fillers and they were absolutely fantastic. I looked great, no dark circles at all for nearly two years, and you really could not see the fillers, they were so subtle. By the time they started to wear down I had moved to a different country, so found another doctor (with very good qualifications and reputation) in the country where I now live. He made an absolute hash of it and I had eighteen months of really obvious weird blueish bumps under my eyes that made me look like an alien. I have only recently got back to looking normal again (i.e. no obvious fillers, although the dark rings under my eyes are of course back). I don't think I will try again, even though I guess I could fly back to the UK and go to the original doctor if I really wanted to.

It's not a rich vs poor thing imo. I don't know many women who have had work done, but the ones I do know of are definitely not rich, and from observation I don't think it's mostly a rich demographic who are most likely to have these procedures.

I agree that it's a bad thing that it's become so commonplace- not because people shouldn't have autonomy over what they do to their own face/body, but because it's awful that so many women feel that their natural face is somehow not good enough. Also the trout lips look terrible.

They’re not cheap, they cost hundreds of pounds!

I didn't say they were cheap, just that they cost less than they used to.

The poorest area near me is awash with lip fillers and Botox. I don't think those things are only bought by rich women. Rich women can afford more facelifts and permanent procedures.

We were in Dubai last week and my dp actually burst out laughing and couldn't control himself as these two young women walked passed with breasts up to just under their chins and massive massive lips. I told him he was out of order as these young women actually have serious self esteem issues. It made me feel quite sad actually as they were probably rather pretty before.

For me the almost uniform look of 20/30 year olds in the deprived area where I work is the most worrying thing.

The huge lip filling.. micro bladed dark brows, massive eyelash extensions that seem to weigh the eyes down - and thick pancake foundation.. has turned a town of pretty young women into plastic looking copies .. so sad and nowhere near as beautiful as they were .