To think that botox, fillers, and other facial procedures are becoming too common?

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I've just seen the recent pictures of the lovely Shania Twain. She's had so much facial work done that she looks unrecognizable! I find this such a shame given how naturally beautiful she's always been!

I also feel that facial work is causing a division between rich and poor women. I'm not sure what the answer to this is though?

On the other hand, the ‘Overton window’ has shifted so far that our perceptions of what is normal have changed too.

remember when Leslie Ash went into hiding over her lips, they look tame compared to lots nowadays.

Its sad

I have a colleague whose face is beautifully smooth - not a line in sight. I thought she was in her twenties but she’s actually early forties.

But…having a conversation with her is unnerving because her expression is immobile. So it’s very hard to get to know her (or to know if we have communicated effectively ) because there are no visual indicators of connection.

I'm really interested to know what happens when you stop doing botox and fillers and other things? Does your face go back to normal, or do you end up with other issues?

Surely injecting our face with poison to paralyse muscles has some kind of negative effect long term? It's not like you are putting natural ingredients in there?

This! 😂

Everyone I know who has had Botox/fillers (a lot) looks odd to me- not better or younger, just different. I have a type of face blindness and wonder if I see people's faces differently. I can't understand why you'd pay for that, as well as risk filling yourself full of chemicals. It also seems odd that a lot of these people are also the ones espousing a healthy diet and lifestyle.

I'd could never tell them any of this in real life so my friends doing it to look better probably think I think they look great.

Good tweakments done well are pretty much undetectable. People who think you can always tell have only seen the bad ones...

Done badly, well that speaks for itself. But then most people with lip filler want you to know they've had it done. Whereas more subtle procedures such as cheek, jaw and tear trough filler are designed to not be obvious, but can make a huge difference for the person with them, in their early 40s for example.

I've had loads in the past but in the end came to realise that exercising my face was more effective than filling or freezing it. But of course the cosmetics industry doesn't want you to know that.

Celebrities aside, it isn’t rich and classy people that have the work done in my experience. The lips and everything are really cheap looking and there is definitely a demographic that prioritises that kind of spending in a limited budget.

I know a few people that have a bit of Botox and they look smooth but not frozen, it seems to me , like anything, you can get good and bad treatments for this.

it isn’t for me. I’ll grow old gracefully.

I don’t think it’s a trend that will ever go away. The difference is good work and bad work. Look at Demi Moore, Brad Pitt, Bradley Cooper. All have had great work done. Demi Moore looks 20 years younger than she is.

Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston have both ruined their faces, on the other hand.

If the trend is changing, it’s to having a more natural work. Big sharpie powder brows and Russian lashes are no longer popular. Obviously filled lips and cheeks are ridiculed as are ‘frozen’ faces.

I have Botox once every nine months. I have it to erase my ‘11s’ (it does) and the start of crow’s feet under my eyes. I used to have it in my forehead where I had horizontal lines, but they have never returned so I don’t anymore. It looks completely and utterly natural. I can’t do anything about being 52, but I can look the best I can. I’m really vain and don’t apologise for it.

See, I don't want to look like Demi Moore. I want to look like my mum. I don't expect anyone will believe me but it's true. I am in my fifties and have had no tweakments, and will have none.

I also don't want my DD to think she needs to look young to be worthy of love and respect.

Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston have both ruined their faces, on the other hand

Everytime I see an article about JA there seem to be 100's of comments under it saying how wonderful she looks.

I just find myself staring open-mouthed. She's had so much filler I think she's started to look like Caitlyn Jenner - all her bone structure, just vanished and left with a swollen, puffy mask.

It's hard to comprehend considering the likes of JA have the ability to use the best surgeons...how can they (the surgeons) allow it to go so drastically wrong?

@SuspectedInsomniac I think the reason JA looks so amazing is her body, she looks so fit and healthy. Plus her hair. She looks very good for her age in that regard.

Gwen Stefani looks absolutely bizarre next to Blake Shelton, I think. He looks he has barely washed his face and rolled out of bed while she looks cryogenically preserved. No thanks to these double standards.

I will be advising DD to pick a life path where she will be judged by her looks.

Not judged by her looks, I meant! 🙄

Good tweakments done well are pretty much undetectable. People who think you can always tell have only seen the bad ones...

how come so many celebs don’t have good tweakments?

Done badly, well that speaks for itself. But then most people with lip filler want you to know they've had it done. Whereas more subtle procedures such as cheek, jaw and tear trough filler are designed to not be obvious, but can make a huge difference for the person with them, in their early 40s for example.

At a certain age no matter how good the tweakments are it won’t look natural because of your age.

At a certain age no matter how good the tweakments are it won’t look natural because of your age

I think the problem is the 'age aim' of some celebs.

Tweaks on a 40 year old to look like a fantastic 40 year old...great. Tweaks on a 60 year old to look like the best version of their 60 year old self...great.

The problem is that some celebs keep having work at 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 and beyond with the aim of looking 35 which obviously is never going to happen.

More do than don't. Most that don't have lost their way because they are crazy rich, have lost reality and don't face anyone willing to tell them. It's in a similar vein to people with bad fake tan. They'd rather look patchy, than pasty. These would rather look over puffed than wrinkly. Or they went a step too far and can't get back.

Nah, he doesn't usually comment on women's mens looks/ weight. These girls just looked like caricatures of females

The thing is, no one actually looks younger with tweaks. Yes, everyone is polite to your face and says you look 10 years younger, blah blah blah, but you don't actually. You now look your age but a bit weird, like Kim Kardashian.

48-year-old Kate Winslet is how I want to age. You can tell she's a good laugh and lives well.

I think Kate looks fantastic, but I do think she’s had lip filler and Botox for main forehead, just my opinion, I could be wrong

People can do what they want with their bodies but I think it's sad. There's nothing wrong with growing older and looking your age and I hate that women feel pressure to try and make time stand still where their looks are concerned. I'm 43, probably look 43 and that's fine.

I think it's procedures around the eyes particularly that make people look not like themselves. Shania's eyes look like they've been lifted into more of a cat eye shape which makes her look different, but apart from that I can't see that she's changed anything much. I think botox can strip the face of character. It seems to give people a vacant expression when overdone.

but in the end came to realise that exercising my face was more effective

Treacletoots, can I ask what method you use? I am using a Nuface, and like the results, but am wondering if a good old face workout is better?

I don’t think it’s a trend that will ever go away. The difference is good work and bad work. Look at Demi Moore, Brad Pitt, Bradley Cooper. All have had great work done. Demi Moore looks 20 years younger than she is.

Demi Moore! Have you seen her recently? If she looks younger than her years it is because of good diet, exercise, good posture and good bone structure and skin tone. But the work she's had done has given her Joker mouth.

When did ordinary women have to look like movie stars? It's a horrible trend. We are not supposed to look like Jennifer Aniston, IMHO.