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To think people shouldn’t have new babies when there’s so many unresolved issues with older kids

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:17

Yes it’s very judgy but I actually despair at rate of which some people are having new children when they already have problems with their other children.

I say this because there is a girl in DD’s class (year 6, this girl is 10) that is an absolute nightmare. DD only started her new school in September because we relocated and several other girls warned her about this child. Nevertheless, DD is naive/too nice and befriended her to her detriment. I had to get VERY arsey with the school before they actually did something about the fact this girl was calling DD nasty names every day (ugly, fat etc - DD is actually skinny and this girl is overweight), making fun of the fact DD has learning support, shoving past her hard (she’s much bigger than my DD) but never hurting her badly or obviously enough to raise suspicion from teachers she always does an ‘oops didn’t see you there’ thing, and teaching DD very inappropriate things (for example she taught DD a ‘blow job’ gesture 😡). If DD didn’t one day behave however this 10yo liked - such as didn’t play with her that day - the 10yo, who has a TikTok account, would make TikTok’s about her even naming her (I actually pulled her aside in the playground and told her to stop). I know because I found her and follow her!

I didn’t like to ban DD from being friends with anyone as I think it’s important that they navigate friendships themselves but because my DD is gullible this girl would make her feel like shit for 4 days then be sweetness and light on day 5 and DD would say “Oh no she’s apologised and she is sorry for what she did.” I just thought the situation was too toxic. So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished. The mums of other girls experiencing the exact same with their DDs and this child have said the same to their girls. This 10yo has been the same since infants apparently And has a long rap sheet of bullying, inappropriate behaviour and nastiness.

Anyway this 10yo has an interesting family tree. Her parents (who are fully aware of what she is like because I’ve told them, as have others, as have the teachers) were married and had her and her older sibling. They then split up, the mum met a new man and had a baby who is now 3. She then split with him, had a new baby with an even newer man, this baby is 6 months old. The dad remarried and had another child who is now 6, they divorced and him and his new wife, wife no 3, have just had a baby a few days ago, the dad was showing the baby off in the playground at pick up.

I suppose I’m angry because she shoved past my DD again today in the corridor and hurt her shoulder and I’m fucking sick of all this never ending. I’m here fretting my backside off about my my DD getting picked on and her bully’s parents are just in the business of churning out more and more kids. Surely a half decent parent whose existing children have serious problems would prioritise that rather than just constantly changing partners and popping out more?

DH’s sister did the same but on a different level. She split up with her DH (whom she had 2 kids with) and immediately started dating a colleague. She was pregnant within three months of them dating, they weren’t using protection because it’s a ‘mood killer’. Her existing teen and pre-teen were really hit hard by their parents split and within 4 months they were meeting a new partner and preparing to welcome a half-sibling. My niece, who was a pre-teen when this all happened, is very close to us now as a young adult and the anger she feels at her mum moving on and having family no 2 in less than a year of her splitting with her dad has just about broken her, and they barely have a relationship. She feels her mum never considered her or her sister in her plans post-split and I’d have to agree with her.

AIBU to think people should get their houses in order before they bring new people into their kids lives - partners AND babies? I feel that particularly with DD’s bully it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a lot of her issues will stem from so many changes and inconsistencies in her life, and it’s people like my DD and the other girls in year 6 paying the price for that.

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brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:19

you have issues with a lot of people

KimberleyClark · 09/04/2024 16:20

Some people seem to feel they have to have a baby with every new relationship, like it’s not a proper relationship otherwise. It’s not great for existing children.

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:20

my two have another week off

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:20

So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished

wtaf

araiwa · 09/04/2024 16:20

If you don't get it right the first time....

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:21

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:19

you have issues with a lot of people

I have issues with bullies, yes. Wouldn’t you?

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:21

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:20

my two have another week off

That’s nice?

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:22

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:20

So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished

wtaf

So shoot me. I didn’t know what else to do as DD couldn’t see this relationship for the toxicity it carried. She is scared of this girl, and would never have ended the friendship otherwise, it was a last resort (and has worked)

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brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:23

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:21

That’s nice?

i do

and you seem to bully your own daughter

threatening her with a punishment if she goes near this girl

who needs enemies when you have a mother throwing down threats like that

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:23

KimberleyClark · 09/04/2024 16:20

Some people seem to feel they have to have a baby with every new relationship, like it’s not a proper relationship otherwise. It’s not great for existing children.

I agree and I think parents who believe that because their older child loves the half sibling that they’re happy about the situation.

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vodkaredbullgirl · 09/04/2024 16:23

Judgy yes, what are the school doing about the bullying?

MartinsSpareCalculator · 09/04/2024 16:24

I'd say it isn't really your place to be making judgements on the private lives of these people.

By all means address the bullying, but you've got no right whatsoever to dictate when or how other people should have children.

There's an awful lot to be said for just minding your own business.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:27

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:23

i do

and you seem to bully your own daughter

threatening her with a punishment if she goes near this girl

who needs enemies when you have a mother throwing down threats like that

Did you not read what this girl is like? I’m not keeping her from a darling friend, this girl bullies her and then after a few days of bullying she love bombs DD. I will absolutely do whatever it takes to prevent that friendship

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Wordsmithery · 09/04/2024 16:27

Well the girl in question is paying the biggest price, not the other kids at school, right? I mean, she has to go home at the end of the day and live with her parents' latest partners, and deal with a lot of change in her life, plus she has no friends. Although she is causing you horrible worry with your DD, she is also deserving of sympathy. Sounds like she's a victim of circumstance, and she'll carry her difficult childhood through her adult life.
(To answer your original question, though, yes her parents should not be having more kids. Of course.)

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:28

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:27

Did you not read what this girl is like? I’m not keeping her from a darling friend, this girl bullies her and then after a few days of bullying she love bombs DD. I will absolutely do whatever it takes to prevent that friendship

by punishing your daughter

im curious what would the punishment have been?

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

beAsensible1 · 09/04/2024 16:31

No one likes to say it but of course not. It’s such ridiculous behaviour. So many feel the need because partners feel threatened by the previous children or they use it to cement the relationship.

its like everyone is in competition with ex partners or even themselves.

unfortunately when you have young children your needs as a parent often come second, that includes having a new baby. But all children are expected to be grateful for new babies (which include new families) anything is else is being spoiled.

even when they’re dealing with the grief of family breakdown a new baby means it should be fine now….

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:32

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

and said she’d punish her own daughter if she finds out her daughter has had anything to do with the girl!

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:33

vodkaredbullgirl · 09/04/2024 16:23

Judgy yes, what are the school doing about the bullying?

Not nearly as much as they should be doing.

It started with an ‘all class chat’ which is literally a waste of breath as every child sitting there thinks it must be about someone else.

They then after much badgering spoke to this child who cried and made herself out to be a victim. It stopped though, for a few days and started again, but became worse - calling my DD the ‘r’ word because she greets learning supporting. At which point I insisted they do more than just chat to her. So they ‘had another chat’ (!), and took away one playtime.

It was only after me and 3 other mums then complained to Ofsted and the governors that they actually took steps to divide this girl from the others and got her parents involved. we informed the school that we had banned our DDs from speaking to their bully, a stance which the school supported.

This was a few weeks before half term, and from what I can tell they haven’t spoken to her since but it hasn’t stopped her from giving them the evils from across the classroom all day.

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:34

Wordsmithery · 09/04/2024 16:27

Well the girl in question is paying the biggest price, not the other kids at school, right? I mean, she has to go home at the end of the day and live with her parents' latest partners, and deal with a lot of change in her life, plus she has no friends. Although she is causing you horrible worry with your DD, she is also deserving of sympathy. Sounds like she's a victim of circumstance, and she'll carry her difficult childhood through her adult life.
(To answer your original question, though, yes her parents should not be having more kids. Of course.)

I did feel sorry for her at first as I could see she had an inconsistent life but when your child comes home crying way more than is normal, sympathy tends to abate.

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softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 16:35

None of that has anything to do with you, at all.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:35

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:28

by punishing your daughter

im curious what would the punishment have been?

Have you not read the OP properly?

Id 100% she rather be pissed off at me for being so extreme than have to experience bullying constantly at school. I’m willing to take the hit.

Punishment would have been getting banned from PlayStation or having her iPad taken off her or similar or from a day out with friends

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DrJoanAllenby · 09/04/2024 16:37

Some bad my behaved children come from families who churn them out for the perks of the benefit system.

ClairemacL · 09/04/2024 16:39

This is one of those things everyone thinks but nobody says lol

ladykale · 09/04/2024 16:39

softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 16:35

None of that has anything to do with you, at all.

We all have to deal with the consequences of crappy parenting and people churning out babies they can't actually look after properly...

Why shouldn't OP call it out