New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times

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New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times.

A new study has revealed a shocking proportion of Australian men would abuse children “if no one found out”.

The research, conducted by the University of New South Wales, found “concerning” patterns, including that one in six Australian men said they had feelings for children under the age of 18, with 48 per cent of those answering being aged over 54.

One in 15 men questioned admitted they would have xesual contact with a child under the age of 14 if “no one found out”, while one in 25 said the same about children under 10.

The odds of a respondent saying they would have had xes with someone under the age of 18 was 10 times higher if they were aged over 65.

The survey, which questioned over 1900 men aged between 18 and 65 years old, is the world’s largest child sexual abuse perpetration prevention survey of its kind.

The study was welcomed by those who say that the common nature of xesual violence against women needs to be studied at the perpetrator level as well as with victims.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/millions-of-men-would-sexually-abuse-children-if-secrecy-was-sure-ncf9lx5v7

AIBU to be find it disturbing that these were the men only willing to admit it and its probably alot higher??

Reminds me of that red*it thread about men getting aroused changing their daughters diapers or that other study that showed men would happily commit rape if they were assured to never be revealed/caught.

What can we as women/parents/men that don't fall into the above statistics do to combat this ? How can we ensure our sons are not thinking these thoughts are ok?

Actually I wonder if it's a biological thing. I'm conjecturing here and it would be interesting to dig into properly, but we know that both men and women's gametes lower in quality as we age. For women we cease being viably reproductive in middle age but men don't. They never lose the ability to father children however the older a man is the more likely it is that a child of his will have a congenital disability (this has already been studied). I therefore wonder if there is a biological instinct to seek out the "healthiest" (younger) women to counter this.

Yes I worry about this too.

And young children’s story time is carried out by cross dressing men
while their parents look on proudly.

And cross-dressing in stereotypically female but over the top sexy clothes to work is seen as ‘gender expression’.

I noticed this in my work. There is something key about over 60's men and this type of offending. I wonder if they maybe lose their inhibitions somewhat. For women a lot of us care less what people think post menopause. Maybe there is a male dark side equivalent. I even wondered if some were in the early stages of dementia. Only because up until that point they'd led perfectly normal, respectable lives. Not a hint of anything like this.

By that age, for most, their DC will be adults, their career will probably be winding down. Maybe their marriage is not as important to them. To a degree there is maybe less to lose?

I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating. But it is notable just how many over 60s are guilty of these types of crimes so I think it warrants further research. Of course some will have always been that way and hidden it well. But what does make a "normal" man in his 60s suddenly turn into a paedophile.

As it happens, I agree with you. It IS abuse and I want to know why men who have been charged and found guilty of it are being let off with pretty much a slap on the wrist? One of these men (single) men used to tell me how fond he was of his young nieces and how he loved spoiling them. I wonder if his sister is aware of that he was charged and found guilty of this crime?

That’s interesting, though disturbing. I think you’re probably right. I suspect a lot of men over 60 think “what the hell, I’ll be dead soon. I’ve always fantasised about having a young girl and this is my last chance. I’ve had my career, my wife is dead/ill/fed up with me, and if I’m caught, well, they’re not going to lock up a 70-year-old for his first offence, are they.”

@Olivegardenishome

Thanks for the insight. According to the study, this Element app was used by far the most, even more than Tor, Signal, Telegram etc.

Given that I've never heard of it (which is rare), makes me wonder whether Element has developed a certain kind of secondary audience. Odd you've not come across it either, given your experience.

Possibly makes it quite a good indicator actually, given the prevalence. That and not being born in Australia, according to the sample.

Yes absolutely. Would love to see some brain imaging of these older ones. Wonder if there are any frontal lobe changes/anything indicative of dementia that hasn’t yet manifested in the usual ways.

I'd be surprised if this is something that happens to manifest at late-age.

Could it not be more likely that the older they are the more chances there have been to be caught?

@BobbyBiscuits @CantDealwithChristmas (and others)
Please don't use terms such as child porn or schoolgirl porn. The correct term is images of child abuse.

So this was a rate of 6 out of 7 men who were rapists/would be rapists.
86%

This was my hypothesis too, but I wasn't sure whether to say it or not.

Sick bastards.

I think they have less ability to change lived experience - they were around when it was socially acceptable for a man to sleep with teens and just be tutted at. They don't see the issue. I'd suspect it's more likely they are caught because they perhaps aren't as tech savvy as the younger generation and not so aware of how they might be caught and how to cover their tracks.

Yes ... fortunately, 7 on a single day isn't a good enough sample to extrapolate from! I did meet many other men in the year I was 12, no-one else tried to rape me.

Plus if a 20 something man hits on a 13yo she might (at a hard push) be flattered and agree to hide a "relationship". If a 65+ guy does the same she is more likely to run for the hills and call him out as a pervert to anyone who will listen.

Deleted post as I hadn't read the quote history.

I'm no expert but on the few documentaries I have watched on this matter, the abuser when interviewed said that they started watching normal porn, then it progressed and progressed until they needed a bigger "kick" i.e child sexual abuse. I'm assuming this doesn't make up all paedophiles but I wonder if it is the majority because biologically speaking "fancying" a child literally doesn't make sense! It's fucking ridiculous and stupid and I'm happy that there are plenty of men out there that would still beat the shit out of a paedo.

I have always despised old men with young Thai brides. And the fact that so many men find it funny makes me furious. For example, there is an ugly little fat guy in my local Tesco. He’s in his 60s, with rotten teeth and lank greasy hair. But he’s got this beautiful young Thai wife. I’ve noticed groups of men whispering and laughing when they walk by. None of them feel a shred of sympathy for the girl. To me it’s a form of abuse. He’s taking advantage of her poverty. Simple as that. No way on this earth would she be with him if she hadn’t grown up in some ghastly tin shack in Bangkok. He knows that.

It’s the same with women from the old Soviet bloc. After the Society Union crashed, Russia was plunged into chaos, and for a decade or so western men took advantage of that. A lot of Russian women are incredibly beautiful, and back in the ‘90s and 2000s you’d see ugly old rich guys with stunning young Russian women who they’d met online or while ‘on business’ in Eastern Europe. I got my first job around 1999/2000, when this was quite common (the Soviet Union had only crashed a decade or so earlier and was still very poor). I remember guys at work making the most disgusting jokes about men they knew going to Russia or Ukraine in search of ‘hotties’. I remember one ugly old lech joking about going to Russia, promising to marry a beautiful young girl, having sex, and then sneaking away to the airport in the morning.

Completely agree. These men like to think of themselves as saviours rather than taking advantage though and will argue that with you until they are blue in the face. I know a guy adamant he had to have a girlfriend "need" him rather than want him. He really didn't want anyone who was bright, independent or self sufficient and he has moved his latest girl in to his house after going out for a few months max. It's a power trip and I worry a lot of women even not from war torn countries, don't recognise how trapped they become in these situations. I don't trust men with these god complexes at all. Anyone describing themselves as a knight in shining armour makes me equally suspicious.

@Iftheshoesfit do you have an idea why this seems to increase as men age? I too thought this was a sign that perhaps behaviours were changing between different generations, but you're saying as men age it increases?

The young girls being most fertile thing doesn't wash. Teenage pregnancies are high risk and more likely to end in miscarriage or premature birth as the girls immature body literally struggles to carry the pregnancy to term. The most fertile years (as in live births) are from 21-early thirties according to the BMJ.

If fertility is your ultimate goal the best choice is a woman in that age range who has already had a child. She has proven fertility and is in the prime childbearing years.

If they are saviours, then I assume they don’t have sex with the girls. Or am I being naive? 🙄After all, a true knight in shining armour doesn’t take advantage of girls from poor countries. He just helps them immigrate, let’s them sleep on his couch, and then finds them a flat somewhere, right? No doubt they convince themselves a beautiful young Ukrainian blonde has fallen in love with a chubby, balding 50-year-old short arse from Birmingham.

Thing that baffles me is how these men live with their foreign brides. I mean marrying for sex I understand. I despise them for it, but I understand. But what the hell kind of companionship do they get? How can you sleep together, watch TV together, go for walks along the beach, when you can barely communicate and you know she secretly despises you? And what does it do to a man’s self-respect? I mean you’ve basically bought her, let’s be honest. I’d rather be lonely but keep my pride intact. God, the wedding must be excruciating for the wider family. Just shows you the power of self-delusion. I know a lot abusers convince themselves their victim enjoyed the abuse, just as ugly old men who visit brothels are convinced the girl likes them.

Does this part refer to fertility in terms of number of women actually giving birth, though, rather than reproductive ability?

"The most fertile years (as in live births) are from 21-early thirties according to the BMJ"

A lot of fertility figures I see are based upon actual births per mother in a given age range, not on whether women in a particular age range are most capable of conceiving.

So for example if more women give birth aged 27 than any other age, the stats will show 27 as most fertile age, at least in some of the data I looked at.

(More than happy to see the idea of old men only being attracted due to fertility dispelled, by the way, but I was also curious when seeing the claims and found some of the data misleading.)

Exactly. I don’t think we know that much about it because it’s not the sort of thing you can easily study, for ethical and practical reasons.

From a biological standpoint, it would be in a species’ interest to reproduce as early in life as possible in order to maximise the number of offspring during the fertile lifespan.