New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times

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New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times.

A new study has revealed a shocking proportion of Australian men would abuse children “if no one found out”.

The research, conducted by the University of New South Wales, found “concerning” patterns, including that one in six Australian men said they had feelings for children under the age of 18, with 48 per cent of those answering being aged over 54.

One in 15 men questioned admitted they would have xesual contact with a child under the age of 14 if “no one found out”, while one in 25 said the same about children under 10.

The odds of a respondent saying they would have had xes with someone under the age of 18 was 10 times higher if they were aged over 65.

The survey, which questioned over 1900 men aged between 18 and 65 years old, is the world’s largest child sexual abuse perpetration prevention survey of its kind.

The study was welcomed by those who say that the common nature of xesual violence against women needs to be studied at the perpetrator level as well as with victims.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/millions-of-men-would-sexually-abuse-children-if-secrecy-was-sure-ncf9lx5v7

AIBU to be find it disturbing that these were the men only willing to admit it and its probably alot higher??

Reminds me of that red*it thread about men getting aroused changing their daughters diapers or that other study that showed men would happily commit rape if they were assured to never be revealed/caught.

What can we as women/parents/men that don't fall into the above statistics do to combat this ? How can we ensure our sons are not thinking these thoughts are ok?

Have a read about the Minor Attracted Persons movement. I promise you I am not making this up.

I’m not saying this movement will succeed in its objectives. I’m saying there are people out there who think that “inter-generational love” (as they call it) is worthy of respect, and that it must be resisted.

If there is a campaign to normalise paedophilic disorders then they're certainly keeping it very quiet. Not the most effective campaign, clearly.

Suspect the people who think this also invest heavily in the tin foil hat industry, however.

@CaterhamReconstituted
I absolutely agree with you, these studies are not done and published in the mainstream to prevent anything. They are there to make men feel having these thoughts is completely natural and that all men do.
One male friend said he had never thought about something like that, but all the talk about Cuties on Netflix made him think of it for the first time. He was still appalled by it, but until then was it just an aberration that had never crossed his mind, the idea of thinking of children like that.
These ideas are very deliberately being seeded into normal people, so the preferences of the elite become acceptable.
If anyone thinks that's conspiracy, just ask which modern day king had Saville, Rolf Harris and paedo bishop Ball as his besties.

Honey, I spend every day working with pedophiles. I don’t need to google anything.

You need to give your head a MN wobble and gain some perspective

@Cazpar You might not have heard of the campaigns and groups but they do exist.

''Minor Attracted Person scandal: Inside the £2m EU project to 'support' paedophiles''
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/world-news/minor-attracted-person-scandal-inside-28858264

I think most of us know when we realised men's eyes on us changed - for me it was around the 12yo mark I noticed men staring and giving me the once over or double-taking. There was also that study that said 35% of girls found they were sexually harassed more in their uniform than wearing home clothes https://theconversation.com/i-started-walking-the-long-way-many-young-women-first-experience-street-harassment-in-their-school-uniforms-202718

It’s doesn’t have popular support yet. Thankfully. But there is a reasonable amount of academic interest in it. This is how movements work - they move from esoteric academic and political circles into the mainstream.

In what way is trying to prevent paedophiles offending making them "normal"?

Sadly it doesn't surprise me. More and more men are being convicted of viewing child abuse online. When I worked in the CJS it was always men, not seen a woman convicted of it personally. Yes there are some female abusers who've been convicted but I would say they make up less than 1% of offenders. (I don't consider trans women as women when I say this!).

We rely on laws and the (rightful) sense of disgust that these crimes attract, to keep our children safe. But you can't control the thoughts in someone's head. If someone feels that way you can't make them feel otherwise. There's literally nothing you can do but hope that fear of the law, or worry about family/friends finding out, stops them acting on those thoughts. Everyone already knows its wrong. I don't know how many other ways we can spell that out.

Here's a share token for The Times article. It was published on 6th December 2023.

Happy to provide share tokens for the linked articles, if anyone would like them.

Are you okay? You seem really angry and defensive for frankly very odd reasons. And calling a poster 'honey' is weird...are you a bloke by any chance?

Maybe it isn't on your radar?
I have certainly heard numerous debates about this over the last year or two.
From people presenting MAP research as legitimate academic work, very explicit literature in children's libraries, the handbook going around the internet to teach people how to access children. It wasn't a special interest of mine but have heard enough to be aware and awake to it.

I rarely say a sexist thing and am quite supportive of men in general, but when it comes to ANYTHING sexual, you've got to admit, they're an odd lot at best and downright dangerous at their worst

Did you even read the link?

This refers to a specific program that’s aim is to reduce offending rates and likelihood to offend. And yes labelling does matter to get people to engage.

That doesn’t mean it’s being normalised. MAP is also usually used when referring to a range of preferences, not just those attracted to those under 13

Nope, just someone baffled at the stupidity being displayed for all to see.

Honey is a patronising term anyone can use btw

I'm pretty sure that, in a situation where they were free from consequence, a significant minority of men would happily rape their way through any woman or girl they encountered.
I've never received more male attention than when I was a teenager in school uniform. (Some) Men are gross. This isn't surprising at all.

what the hell does 'give your head a wobble' mean?

@Iftheshoesfit Yes I read the link, it supports the theory that men who are attracted to children are being rebranded as having a legitimate sexual orientation.

The simplest solution for me was to not have any children.

I also do not associate with men at all, unless absolutely necessary in a professional capacity.

I seem to have suffered less than my siblings who have made other choices.

Please could you quote where this "rebranding" is happening? I couldn't see it in the article.

You’ve heard of PIE, yes? What on earth makes you believe they all just gave up and couldn’t possibly be trying another approach now, honey?

You ‘working with’ nonces means nothing except you’re more likely to sympathise with them, try growing up with one.

Where did you think the term MAP appeared from?

@Iftheshoesfit you can be patronising all you want with your 'honey'. But a few years ago we had the same response when many women showed concern about self I.D and 'not all women have vaginas' was being said.
Councils seemed to think that it's ok for male kinks to be paraded though the streets during the day, all in the name of love is love.

When there's surveys about rape, most men asked would if they could get away with it. I'm 57, we were fair game as soon as we started to develop and rape was legal within marriage. In some countries sexual abuse of children is seen as ok, a sociology expert would have the opinion that it's social conditioning as why in other countries it isn't. Can you socialise every behaviour? Take away the legal penalties and this result wouldn't come as a surprise. Walk down the streets when high schools are letting out and you'll see how many men are eying up children.

It does not support that

It’s not even those attracted to children who are even involved in the use of the term in relation to that specific article

I was just waiting for this

As let’s face it, those with the tin foil hats only seem to care if they can link it back to trans people.

One little scratch below the surface and the true motivations for these odd views are unveiled