New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times

[ElatedShark]

New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times.

A new study has revealed a shocking proportion of Australian men would abuse children “if no one found out”.

The research, conducted by the University of New South Wales, found “concerning” patterns, including that one in six Australian men said they had feelings for children under the age of 18, with 48 per cent of those answering being aged over 54.

One in 15 men questioned admitted they would have xesual contact with a child under the age of 14 if “no one found out”, while one in 25 said the same about children under 10.

The odds of a respondent saying they would have had xes with someone under the age of 18 was 10 times higher if they were aged over 65.

The survey, which questioned over 1900 men aged between 18 and 65 years old, is the world’s largest child sexual abuse perpetration prevention survey of its kind.

The study was welcomed by those who say that the common nature of xesual violence against women needs to be studied at the perpetrator level as well as with victims.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/millions-of-men-would-sexually-abuse-children-if-secrecy-was-sure-ncf9lx5v7

AIBU to be find it disturbing that these were the men only willing to admit it and its probably alot higher??

Reminds me of that red*it thread about men getting aroused changing their daughters diapers or that other study that showed men would happily commit rape if they were assured to never be revealed/caught.

What can we as women/parents/men that don't fall into the above statistics do to combat this ? How can we ensure our sons are not thinking these thoughts are ok?

Thank you for sharing. I remember men looking at me and catcakking me since the age of 12. It was disgusting.
It's horrible to think so many men would have sex with a child, I'm very worried for my children.

I'm not ever going to be using the term "minor attracted person". It gives me the creeps. I don't care about the academic pedantry of "hebephile" either so I will continue to refer to paedophiles/paedophilia,

The elites are all at it, let's be honest. Epstein's island is only the tip of the iceberg.

I watched a documentary on this once. The police officer was asked about the lack of punishment, and she said “well, you have to remember that the majority of men we arrest for viewing indecent images are ordinary men who’ve never actually touched a child. Most have never even been in a police station. They’re ordinary men with jobs and families. The real punishment isn’t the month in prison or the fine. It’s the publicity. Their wife leaves them, they lose their children, their friends won’t speak to them, their elderly parents shun them, they’re kicked out of the family home and, in some cases, they lose their job as well.” For many it means a nervous breakdown or suicide.

It’s the same with guys caught grooming underage girls online. The hunter groups who catch them and then put their photos all over social media often destroy their life. There is a guy near me who turned up to meet what he thought was a 13 year old girl. Vigilantes filmed him and put the video on YouTube. That was ten years ago, but if you type his name into Google that video pops up. It will be out there forever.

I’d say that, generally, society despises these men. Sexual crimes are definitely the most shameful. Look at what happens in prison! Rapists and child abusers have to be separated from other prisoners or they’ll be attacked.

well, you have to remember that the majority of men we arrest for viewing indecent images are ordinary men who’ve never actually touched a child.

Not convinced by that

Why is it xesual? I know it means sexual, but why the changed letters?

The biggest problem with shaming as a strategy is that it actually fuels the desire - so much of sexuality is about taboo and exploring what is transgressive.

A further problem is that there is often an overlap between victim and perpetrator insofar as many perpetrators were themselves victims of csa.

I think we probably do need to create spaces where people who are troubled by such urges/are getting sucked into troubling online behaviours can go to seek help and support to prevent them offending.

I think csa is rooted in self-loathing and is an attempt to desecrate the perpetrator's own inner child.

I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be conflating. Clearly the word paedophile is widely understood and carries a particular weight and meaning. I would no more call a paedophile a Minor Attracted Person than I would call a rapist a Forced Sex Practitioner. MAP is an attempt to destigmatise it.

I have a wonderful, kind, gentle husband and father - and male relatives and male friends - all of whom will share my disgust at the many, many sex offenders in the world. Both good men and evil ones exist, including on one person’s life. Unfortunately, many of them lurk among the good men and actually are them in some cases.

Bless you, @stayathomer

I really hope the ones you stay at home with are as innocent as you.

Sadly in this research their own words condemn them. My experience condemns them.

And that’s me, married to a gentle man and with two lovely sons.

If you allow the people around you to speak, you’ll find their experience has been different from yours.

I am not convinced either. The majority have never been convicted. Most children do not ever say that they were touched. Even as adults they cannot say.

And you may find it shocking but the excuses that men give their families are pretty self serving. Autism is now cited sometimes as a reason why people do not understand the severity of sharing images. It is up to us as a society to set down clear markers that irrespective of whether someone is formerly of good character, was engaging in research, possibly abused or neurodiverse that this offending means you are a sex offender. I would agree preventing offending is important because there is dubious evidence that sex offenders do get better or can be rehabilitated. In fact they are often very manipulative of the people around them.

What is this guff? We are discussing paedophiles.
A few people have said above they genuinely believe most men would rape a woman if they got a chance. Others saying they believe most men look at teenagers or young girls in that way

@ElatedShark why have you written it xes and xesual? Very odd.

If women do have experience of men in that way either as adults or children, which many do, why would you see that as an opportunity to have a smug little gloat about it @stayathomer?

This is about research where men said they would abuse children if they could get away with it. It's not unreasonable to think that then, is it?

If women do have experience of men in that way either as adults or children, which many do, why would you see that as an opportunity to have a smug little gloat about it @stayathomer?
Not smug or gloating. I’m genuinely sorry that life handed them shit men x

There will very sadly probably be some women in your life such as colleagues or within friendships groups who have experience of this - they just haven’t opened up to you. They unlikely never will if you say similar things as you did above in real life, I must say.

Not most. Just a significant number, which amounts to millions globally.

Of course men look at teenagers as sexual objects. But we have social norms and laws in place to stop them acting on those desires. Obviously it doesn’t stop all of them from doing this. It’s not man-bashing to point this out.

I can only assume you are a man if you do not personally KNOW that men look at teens and female children in this way...

This research implies those men are more common than you think. They may even be found in your own family and friends @stayathomer - and no you're not necessarily going to be able to tell.

Not all men , but a high number yes . I think they would do it more to take a woman down a peg or two , as a punishment for rejecting them or being cleverer or better than them in some way or to get one over on another man in her life .

There will very sadly probably be some women in your life such as colleagues or within friendships groups who have experience of this - they just haven’t opened up to you. They unlikely never will if you say similar things as you did above in real life, I must say.
I don’t say things like this because we don’t have conversations that go the way this thread is where people genuinely think most of half of the population of the world are out to rape the other half. I think some people are so vocal on mn about men and how dangerous they are and hod I know all about that, I’ve had near misses like most women, I’ve dated bastards but I also know so many more good men, and some people on this thread don’t seem to have met any. That was my only point

This research implies those men are more common than you think. They may even be found in your own family and friends @stayathomer - and no you're not necessarily going to be able to tell.
I know that, and possibly one day one will turn on me but until then I will trust the ones I trust x sorry, I’m shit at putting my point across and I don’t want to upset people who have had bad shit happen to them. It was a genuine comment. Going to head off now to burn the dinner!