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AIBU?

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Love, darling, sweetheart etc.

335 replies

monsteraa · 12/12/2023 04:44

I hear these words regularly from men, day in, day out - bus drivers, tradesmen, shopkeepers, etc.

I don't like it when men I don't know call me these things, I find it patronising.

Sometimes I want to say 'I'm not your sweetheart' (but of course I don't, I'm too polite).

AIBU?

OP posts:
Thelazygardener · 12/12/2023 10:40

It’s just normal, nice human interaction in my opinion…..something that is being snuffed out in society at the minute.

It’s just friendly, and warm and I’ve never experienced it in a patronising way.

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 10:42

Yeah, but a lot of people on here are
making things up to show how very professionally unoffended they are.

Growlybear83 · 12/12/2023 10:43

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 10:27

So. Can I offer a couple of scenarios?

Do you think it's fine for care workers to use terms of endearment rather than names for older people in their care?

Do you think it's fine for male managers to use terms of endearment for women staff? (You can bet your life they wouldn't use them for male staff!)

Of course it's ok! Whyever not?

BIossomtoes · 12/12/2023 10:45

Growlybear83 · 12/12/2023 10:43

Of course it's ok! Whyever not?

Seriously? That’s unbelievable. The sexism and ageism on MN never fails to astound me.

HandyLittleGadget · 12/12/2023 10:45

In my home town, it's usual for people to call each other "Duck". Men and women say it. I can't see anything wrong with any of those terms, they're just friendly

NoNoNanette · 12/12/2023 10:46

I'm not crazy about endearments from strangers, but I don't mind that much. Love, honey, darling, sweetheart, pet, petal, babe, me babber, etc. Depends if it's friendly or belittling. DH, just plain hates being called 'mate'. He wants to say 'I'm not your fucking mate'. Women do it now, he says they never used to.

buffyajp · 12/12/2023 10:47

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 10:42

Yeah, but a lot of people on here are
making things up to show how very professionally unoffended they are.

How on earth do you know they are making things up? Again, you don’t get to tell other people what to think or how to think. You have your opinion and that’s fine, I completely disagree and that is also fine. Just because people have a different opinion it doesn’t mean they are making things up about their experiences. That is insulting accusation but I’m not surprised really. To be honest I find your posts far more patronising than a stranger or work colleague calling me love.

Fooshufflewickjbannanapants · 12/12/2023 10:48

God you'd hate it oop north lol love at one side and cock at the other regardless of sex of speaker or receiver!

Perhapsanorhertimewouldbebetter · 12/12/2023 10:49

buffyajp · 12/12/2023 10:40

In your opinion. Judging by this thread it certainly isn’t the majority one either. It’s fine if you don’t like it but you don’t get to dictate to other people that they shouldn’t like it or want to be called it. People can only speak for themselves not others .

Isn't everyone's reply their own opinion though?
I didn't say I had the right to dictate to anyone.
I'm not really sure what you think you are trying to say.

Menopausalprincess · 12/12/2023 10:51

In Dorset I’ve been called ‘lover’ or even ‘my lover’ which threw me the first time, but it’s all meant kindly

harriethoyle · 12/12/2023 10:53

What really grinds my gears, and I've had it happen more than once, is when I'm in an environment where the men are called sir and the women love. Happened on a train to me when tickets were being checked, and the second time I challenged the conductor and asked why the men were sir but I was love? He was a bit flummoxed. Posted on here and there was a 50/50 split between YANBU well done and YABU you cowbag. Such is life!

DejaVoodoo · 12/12/2023 10:54

It's a manner of speaking that's arisen from habit, local custom, vernacular, and upbringing... most of these are harmless, innocuous and frankly meaningless. The speaker means nothing by them other than trying to be friendly.

I agree that people look for things to be offended by these days.

I miss being called "hen" as a girl or young woman in Scotland. "Right, hen?" rather than "Can I help you, young lady" in shops!

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 11:00

@buffyajp "How on earth do you know they are making things up?"

Well, for a start, men do not call other men "love" in "the North" So, when anyone says they do, I know they are making things up.

caringcarer · 12/12/2023 11:02

GymBergerac · 12/12/2023 05:51

I think it's a bit of a regional thing as well, I've lived in Shropshire for twelve years after most of my life in Cheshire, and it's far more prevalent here (along with duck and babe, which will probably upset people as well!)
I don't think I've ever heard any of them said with any intent to upset or offend though, it's just a friendly thing....

I absolutely hate being called Duck. It really infuriates me.

BIossomtoes · 12/12/2023 11:02

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 11:00

@buffyajp "How on earth do you know they are making things up?"

Well, for a start, men do not call other men "love" in "the North" So, when anyone says they do, I know they are making things up.

I’ve heard a man call another man “love” in Yorkshire on several occasions. And I’m not making it up.

Thedogscollar · 12/12/2023 11:03

Bloody hell what's going on. Somebody else on here complaining about being referred to as a girl.
The eternally offended need to get a grip.

MRSMTO · 12/12/2023 11:04

x2boys · 12/12/2023 09:15

Its better than Cock.which is quite common where's I live ,you all right Cock ,thanks Cock.etc.

Cock or cocker or in my late granddads case cockbird are very common where I'm from. I say it very often and I love it:

Minikievs · 12/12/2023 11:05

I call lots of people things like that and I have no problem with other people calling me those things either.
Although I was a little Hmm at being called "babe" by the girl on the checkout at Superdrug, who was approx 25 years younger than me

Perhapsanorhertimewouldbebetter · 12/12/2023 11:06

I think the crux here is that while these terms are mostly friendly greetings, they are also occasionally used as ways of undermining one group or promoting another.

If you've had a term used in a patronising/undermining way a few times then of course you're more likely to not enjoy it being said to you at all, than someone who hadn't experienced the patronising/undermining.

The sir/love example given by @harriethoyle fits the patronising/undermining narrative quite well. There was perhaps no intentional ill meaning but it was still there.

@DejaVoodoo I was called hen a lot too in my childhoood, often by a Glesga Granny about to embark on telling me her life story while waiting for the number 62 bus! Fond memories of different times.

DejaVoodoo · 12/12/2023 11:09

The sir/love thing is interesting.
Men quite like being called "Sir" it sounds respectful and gives them a certain elevated status.
But I've never met a woman who likes being called "Madam".

Pewpewbarneymcgrew · 12/12/2023 11:10

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 11:00

@buffyajp "How on earth do you know they are making things up?"

Well, for a start, men do not call other men "love" in "the North" So, when anyone says they do, I know they are making things up.

I live in Lancashire and they absolutely do

ParanoidJo · 12/12/2023 11:12

I find it endearing. It wouldn’t occur to me to get upset about it.

Gingerbee · 12/12/2023 11:14

It is part of the British vernacular. There is no offence meant by the user. Both male and females use these expressions.
Some expressions change in various parts of the country.

I find it rather endearing and friendly.

Maybe you would prefer if people ignored you or gave you sullen service.

floppybit · 12/12/2023 11:15

It's of my absolute favourite things about the UK. It's lovely. It's a class thing rather than regional. My Nan was a working class Londoner and called everyone love/sweetheart/darling. I live in a northern city now and it's the same. Middle class people tend not to do it, but upper class people do. We have upper class family friends who are very 'hello dahhhling'. I once saw a young female ticket inspector work her way through a carriage of rowdy drunken football fans, she called them all sweetheart and darling and by the time she'd got to the end of the carriage they were putty in her hands as she'd completely charmed them all. It's a lovely way of addressing people and I hope it doesn't die out.

SocialistSally · 12/12/2023 11:17

I'm in Yorkshire and men call each other love here. Everyone calls each other love.

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