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Dispute with builder escalated to assault

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pollykitty · 16/03/2023 20:45

I had a bizarre violent altercation today with a builder, and I don't know what to think or do about it anymore. I think I am still in shock and would appreciate some objective advice.

The long version: A couple of weeks ago I was looking for someone to clear a part of our garden. An old shed, overgrown area, old rotten swing set and small patio (not cement, like klinker stones). I could not find anyone and posted on one of these sites where you tell them about the job and then tradespeople get in contact to make quotes. This young guy (called Ollie) got in touch almost immediately. He has a company and everything. He came around with a coworker and they seemed ok. He said he could clear my garden in a day with a small digger and would send me a quote. Since it was a bit of an unknown quanitity in terms of labor, he quoted 45/hr per man and for the digger and diesel. Since he said it would take 1 day, I thought ok, that would be fast and expensive (around 1,600). But alright.

Three of them showed up on a the day (last Thursday) around 10:30am and started working. No digger in site. They disappeared at lunchtime for 3 hours. Came back and said 'we had to go do something else'. Worked a bit again, digger arrived at 3pm and they left again for 2 hours with a full trailer. Came back at did some more until 7pm (ug). But it wasn't done. And when they left the house, the passageway through the garage/house was absolutely filthy (we don't have side or rear access to our garden). Also unbeknowst to us at the time, diesel had been spilt all over the garage floor. We didn't smell it at first but then I woke up in the night gagging due to the fumes. They did clear most of the back but not everything and said they would come back next day.

On Friday two of them showed up at 10:30 and it was obvious to me by then that they were just stretching out the time as much as possible to charge me. I still thought 'ok it will be more but fine'. It was infuriating to watch though. They'd work for like 45 minutes, disappear for 2 hours, come back, disappear etc. They said the traffic to the tip was terrible. By 6pm I was fed up and wanted them out of my house. Ollie showed up at 4pm and helped them finish up. Around 7pm I actually had to kick them out of my house. They were standing in the garage smoking. Again, the house was an absolute TIP in the area near the garden. They moved furniture around, mud everywhere. It took us 2 days to fully clean up.

Any guesses as the the invoice they sent me? If you were thinking 2K or 3K or 4K you'd be wrong. 5K.

I nearly had a heart attack. They added charges that had never been mentioned to me. 800 for mileage to the tip. 800 for waste disposal. And claimed 52 hours of labor. My husband and I sat down and worked out what we thought was fair and reasonable. We accomodated the charges that were not in the offer. It came to about 3500.

We wrote a letter(email) explaining our dispute, and asked them to provide futher evidence of their work. Such as receipts from the waste site and so on. The address of the waste site (for mileage) etc. Ollie started calling me nonstop. He sent harrassing texts. His brother got involved. My husband called them and asked them to reply to the email, and we'd go from there.

To be fair they did. But their reply was nonsensical and difficult to follow and while some receipts were valid, others were dated from early March and clearly not from our house. We believe now that the reason they were gone so long was that they were picking up rubbish from other sites or even their own rubbish, adding it to our trailers, and trying to charge us. From the moment they sent their reply, they started harrassing me. I received approximately 20 phone calls last night between midnight and 3am. Texts saying if I don't pay, we're going to stick the bailiffs on you and charge interest. Etc. Also just general demands to respond.

We did respond, adding a bit more to accomodate the receipts, and sent 4000 today. We disputed the rest in a registered letter.

So he got 4000 quid 5 days after his invoice was sent. Today he the left me a voice mail saying he was going to 'dump my garden garbage on my drive unless i paid the rest of my bill'

And then he did. He showed up with his van and trailer and his mate. He didn't get on to my drive, because I moved the car to the end, but started dumping it out of the trailer on the side walk. I had literally just come home when he turned up and started filming him doing so (after calling the police) and then he assaulted me.

He shoved me and tried to punch me. Luckily it's on video.

I wasn't really hurt but unfortunately the police didn't show up until after. Of course what came then was a lot of shouting back and forth, as the police tried to descalate the situation. At first they were like, 'it's a civil matter'. But then I showed one copper the video and he changed his mind. Because he dumped a huge amount of garden sht on the pavement, the city will have to clean it up. He will fined for cleaning it up. He will receive a fine for fly tipping etc. They open a file for the assult. I should add, we were right about our theory. Not only was he lying about taking our garbage to the tip (otherwise why would he still have it??), he left stuff on the sidewalk that does not even belong to us. Including 8 huge tyres.

Now I am here typing this because my husband and I disagree about what to do (not angrily, just under discussion). I want to go to lawyer. I really don't know if I can do anything. I want to file a counter claim for a refund as he lied about going to the tip (he even said 'I have 9 more loads to dump on you' And I want to do anything I can to get this guy shut down and out of business. I want to leave the most devastingly worded google review so that no one ever hires him again. I actually believe not to do so is like, immoral on my part. Am I being overly righteous? I think he intimidates people (especially women) into paying exhorbitant bills (after luring them in with lowball offers) and he belongs in jail. I' m not saying I can make that happen, just my opinion. My husband says 'if he goes away and we never hear from him again, that's a win'. But he wasn't the one who was harrassed on the phone and via email and texts. And assaulted.

WWYD?

SHORT VERSION: Hired a builder/contractor guy. Got send a huge bill. Disputed the bill. Got assaulted.

OP posts:
BeStrongLittleRodney · 16/03/2023 20:48

I’m amazed you paid anything more than you were quoted!

sorry you were assaulted, hope he gets charged

LividNC · 16/03/2023 20:52

What the hell

Press charges

Name and shame him all over local Facebook with the video

Why on earth did you pay this conman £4k?

I’m so sorry this happened to you.

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 20:53

Well that's just it. We were trying to be 'reasonable' and get him to go away. How much would it take. He was so aggressive.

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pollykitty · 16/03/2023 20:54

LividNC · 16/03/2023 20:52

What the hell

Press charges

Name and shame him all over local Facebook with the video

Why on earth did you pay this conman £4k?

I’m so sorry this happened to you.

Yep, deeply regret paying anything, but we were trying to get him to go away. I want to know if I can someone file to get some money back since he was clearly lying through his teeth.

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BCfan · 16/03/2023 20:55

You need to go through CAB to trading standards and report this at the least. How many other people is he scamming?

Iloveanimals1 · 16/03/2023 20:56

I too am very surprised you paid as much as you did. He’s a bully. Press charges and let everyone (social media) know the facts of what happened, be sure to be factual and concise and truthful. People will make their own minds up and he’ll not get more business. He sounds like a conman, an bully and a liar.

Basilis · 16/03/2023 20:57

Get on to trading standards. Sometimes they do a class action if there are a number of complaints.

Basilis · 16/03/2023 20:58

Should be a contact form on your council website.

Meandfour · 16/03/2023 20:59

I can’t get past the fact you paid someone 4 grand to take garden waste to the tip for you.

drpet49 · 16/03/2023 20:59

BeStrongLittleRodney · 16/03/2023 20:48

I’m amazed you paid anything more than you were quoted!

sorry you were assaulted, hope he gets charged

This. Why on earth would you pay anything more than you were quoted???

Chihuahuasrule · 16/03/2023 20:59

What a bunch of thugs. Am so sorry you have been put through this

Meandfour · 16/03/2023 20:59

But yes; name and shame. Contact trading standards. Push the police to the for the assault. Review on my builder or whichever site you found him on.

hope you’re ok.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 16/03/2023 21:02

For the job you described up too I would have thought under 1k max. Did you check this guy out before you hired him? Nevertheless it's horrible what happened to you and I hope he does end up in jail.

QueenoftheAngles · 16/03/2023 21:07

Don’t go to a lawyer, go direct to your trading standards service at local council and speak to them. I wouldn’t put anything on social media. I’d also contact Environment Agency and Environmental Health to see if they are licensed waste contractors. I’m sorry, that sounds awful

Caramelandsalt · 16/03/2023 21:09

Mm gy
Gss

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 21:09

Meandfour · 16/03/2023 20:59

I can’t get past the fact you paid someone 4 grand to take garden waste to the tip for you.

Err - no. It was more than that. They had to dig up the garden including pulling out trees and dismantle a shed and patio. We don't have a car that could transport that material. I will say this again. In the context of his enormous bill, we were trying to be fair and decided to bite the bullet. We expect a bill of approximately 2k (it was hourly so not concise). Then 3K with the extra day. Still way high but we HAD to get it done for other reasons not explained here.

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Goodread1 · 16/03/2023 21:10

Social media is your friend in this kind of situation,

Tell everyone about how crap your service was from this company,

Also ask people if they or know off anybody else,?
who have ever experienced the same or similar Crap services from this cowboy 🤠 company too,

You be susprised how many people have horror stories of being scammed too like yourself,

Also obviously get in touch with citizens Advice trading standards for sound advice ect

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 21:11

QueenoftheAngles · 16/03/2023 21:07

Don’t go to a lawyer, go direct to your trading standards service at local council and speak to them. I wouldn’t put anything on social media. I’d also contact Environment Agency and Environmental Health to see if they are licensed waste contractors. I’m sorry, that sounds awful

Thanks for the helpful idea. Can I ask why you wouldn't comment on social media? It's so my urge....

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ThePoetsWife · 16/03/2023 21:13

Go to Trading Standarda.

They were brilliant and dealt with the con men in my case.

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 21:13

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 16/03/2023 21:02

For the job you described up too I would have thought under 1k max. Did you check this guy out before you hired him? Nevertheless it's horrible what happened to you and I hope he does end up in jail.

No it was going to be at least 1600-2K. Because they hired a digger. They didn't just pull some weeds. Three trees. Shed dismantled etc. We have no means of disposing of this stuff and he had to take it to a commercial dump.
I say in the OP, I knew it was a bit of a rip off but I wanted it done fast. We HAD to get it done.

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Summerfun54321 · 16/03/2023 21:14

Can you get a refund directly with your bank? This sounds like fraud. How do you even know these guys are builders and not conmen? What does their website say, do they belong to any trade bodies you could complain to?

What does companies house say about them, are they a real company or have they just set up a website? You are working on the basis that these people are who they say they are which may not be correct.

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Tipster100 · 16/03/2023 21:15

This is literally my worst nightmare. I'm so sorry this happened to you. I have no useful advice. Just hope you're ok. It's very frightening when this happens in your own home.

QueenoftheAngles · 16/03/2023 21:17

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 21:11

Thanks for the helpful idea. Can I ask why you wouldn't comment on social media? It's so my urge....

I wouldn’t firstly because they sound very unpleasant and I wouldn’t give them an excuse to engage with you again but mainly because the police/trading standards/environment agency might want to prosecute them and if you go public at this stage you could jeopardise that.

Viviennemary · 16/03/2023 21:19

You absolutely do need to report this. I bet there are already complaints about them. I agree with not putting anything on social media, they sound dangerous. Agree with reporting to trading standards maybe even to police.,