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Dispute with builder escalated to assault

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pollykitty · 16/03/2023 20:45

I had a bizarre violent altercation today with a builder, and I don't know what to think or do about it anymore. I think I am still in shock and would appreciate some objective advice.

The long version: A couple of weeks ago I was looking for someone to clear a part of our garden. An old shed, overgrown area, old rotten swing set and small patio (not cement, like klinker stones). I could not find anyone and posted on one of these sites where you tell them about the job and then tradespeople get in contact to make quotes. This young guy (called Ollie) got in touch almost immediately. He has a company and everything. He came around with a coworker and they seemed ok. He said he could clear my garden in a day with a small digger and would send me a quote. Since it was a bit of an unknown quanitity in terms of labor, he quoted 45/hr per man and for the digger and diesel. Since he said it would take 1 day, I thought ok, that would be fast and expensive (around 1,600). But alright.

Three of them showed up on a the day (last Thursday) around 10:30am and started working. No digger in site. They disappeared at lunchtime for 3 hours. Came back and said 'we had to go do something else'. Worked a bit again, digger arrived at 3pm and they left again for 2 hours with a full trailer. Came back at did some more until 7pm (ug). But it wasn't done. And when they left the house, the passageway through the garage/house was absolutely filthy (we don't have side or rear access to our garden). Also unbeknowst to us at the time, diesel had been spilt all over the garage floor. We didn't smell it at first but then I woke up in the night gagging due to the fumes. They did clear most of the back but not everything and said they would come back next day.

On Friday two of them showed up at 10:30 and it was obvious to me by then that they were just stretching out the time as much as possible to charge me. I still thought 'ok it will be more but fine'. It was infuriating to watch though. They'd work for like 45 minutes, disappear for 2 hours, come back, disappear etc. They said the traffic to the tip was terrible. By 6pm I was fed up and wanted them out of my house. Ollie showed up at 4pm and helped them finish up. Around 7pm I actually had to kick them out of my house. They were standing in the garage smoking. Again, the house was an absolute TIP in the area near the garden. They moved furniture around, mud everywhere. It took us 2 days to fully clean up.

Any guesses as the the invoice they sent me? If you were thinking 2K or 3K or 4K you'd be wrong. 5K.

I nearly had a heart attack. They added charges that had never been mentioned to me. 800 for mileage to the tip. 800 for waste disposal. And claimed 52 hours of labor. My husband and I sat down and worked out what we thought was fair and reasonable. We accomodated the charges that were not in the offer. It came to about 3500.

We wrote a letter(email) explaining our dispute, and asked them to provide futher evidence of their work. Such as receipts from the waste site and so on. The address of the waste site (for mileage) etc. Ollie started calling me nonstop. He sent harrassing texts. His brother got involved. My husband called them and asked them to reply to the email, and we'd go from there.

To be fair they did. But their reply was nonsensical and difficult to follow and while some receipts were valid, others were dated from early March and clearly not from our house. We believe now that the reason they were gone so long was that they were picking up rubbish from other sites or even their own rubbish, adding it to our trailers, and trying to charge us. From the moment they sent their reply, they started harrassing me. I received approximately 20 phone calls last night between midnight and 3am. Texts saying if I don't pay, we're going to stick the bailiffs on you and charge interest. Etc. Also just general demands to respond.

We did respond, adding a bit more to accomodate the receipts, and sent 4000 today. We disputed the rest in a registered letter.

So he got 4000 quid 5 days after his invoice was sent. Today he the left me a voice mail saying he was going to 'dump my garden garbage on my drive unless i paid the rest of my bill'

And then he did. He showed up with his van and trailer and his mate. He didn't get on to my drive, because I moved the car to the end, but started dumping it out of the trailer on the side walk. I had literally just come home when he turned up and started filming him doing so (after calling the police) and then he assaulted me.

He shoved me and tried to punch me. Luckily it's on video.

I wasn't really hurt but unfortunately the police didn't show up until after. Of course what came then was a lot of shouting back and forth, as the police tried to descalate the situation. At first they were like, 'it's a civil matter'. But then I showed one copper the video and he changed his mind. Because he dumped a huge amount of garden sht on the pavement, the city will have to clean it up. He will fined for cleaning it up. He will receive a fine for fly tipping etc. They open a file for the assult. I should add, we were right about our theory. Not only was he lying about taking our garbage to the tip (otherwise why would he still have it??), he left stuff on the sidewalk that does not even belong to us. Including 8 huge tyres.

Now I am here typing this because my husband and I disagree about what to do (not angrily, just under discussion). I want to go to lawyer. I really don't know if I can do anything. I want to file a counter claim for a refund as he lied about going to the tip (he even said 'I have 9 more loads to dump on you' And I want to do anything I can to get this guy shut down and out of business. I want to leave the most devastingly worded google review so that no one ever hires him again. I actually believe not to do so is like, immoral on my part. Am I being overly righteous? I think he intimidates people (especially women) into paying exhorbitant bills (after luring them in with lowball offers) and he belongs in jail. I' m not saying I can make that happen, just my opinion. My husband says 'if he goes away and we never hear from him again, that's a win'. But he wasn't the one who was harrassed on the phone and via email and texts. And assaulted.

WWYD?

SHORT VERSION: Hired a builder/contractor guy. Got send a huge bill. Disputed the bill. Got assaulted.

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Onnabugeisha · 16/03/2023 23:18

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 23:14

This is just the sort of objectivness that I need to hear right now and I appreciate it.

Thank you. I try and be pragmatic.

Whateveryouwant1 · 16/03/2023 23:19

I haven't read all the replies but has someone suggested calling your house insurance provider and seeing if they have a legal helpline. These are free if included in your insurance and are really helpful.

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Lochroy · 16/03/2023 23:24

I agree with pp, you can't now change your mind about the value you agreed to.

What you can do is follow every legal/official route... police, trading standard, council waste disposal. And once the police matters are done and dusted, then I'd be looking at if he's any trades websites and be letting them know too.

Whatever you do, don't 'go public' yet a) because you want any police work to stand and b) threat of retaliation.

This is truly awful, I hope you are ok.

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tara66 · 16/03/2023 23:34

OP I have read all your posts. You do not say you have complained to the site where you found these people. Was it mybuilder.com or something else? I hope you contact them and get these criminals taken off their web site asap.

Icecreamandapplepie · 16/03/2023 23:36

So sorry this happened to you. Pigs.

I'm with you all the way and would be the same. Sometimes you have to stick up for what's right

MumYourBabyGrewUpToBeACowboy · 16/03/2023 23:37

QueenoftheAngles · 16/03/2023 21:17

I wouldn’t firstly because they sound very unpleasant and I wouldn’t give them an excuse to engage with you again but mainly because the police/trading standards/environment agency might want to prosecute them and if you go public at this stage you could jeopardise that.

Yes. They sound frightening (and have already been violent to you in broad daylight) plus you don’t want to muddy the waters for any potential claim. Horrible people!!!

Nanny0gg · 16/03/2023 23:38

Inkpotlover · 16/03/2023 21:23

Press charges for assault for a starter, then definitely report to Trading Standards. And then I'd be going to the bank to see if I could get the £4k payment reversed! Let's face it, you were coerced, harassed and bullied into paying that amount – if you explain to your bank it's now a police matter, they might be able to do something.

You can't press charges in the UK.

The police have to recommend to the CPS and it's up to them.

Nanny0gg · 16/03/2023 23:39

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pollykitty · 16/03/2023 23:41

Copperoliverbear · 16/03/2023 23:17

I would not have paid any more than I was quoted and I would have gone to the police station and reported any threats.

So this escalated so fast I did not have a chance to go make a complaint. They were here Thursday/Friday last week. We disputed Monday. He replied Tuesday. We sent a payment and final dispute letter today. I thought (hoped) that would be a break in the escalation.

I called the police on Monday when he started harrassing me and today. I was due to go in tomorrow to make a complaint. I still am going. Because I want to show the escalation from me sending a letter (which used entirely neutral language), to him threatening me and then carrying out those threats.

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pollykitty · 16/03/2023 23:41

So this escalated so fast I did not have a chance to go make a complaint. They were here Thursday/Friday last week. We disputed Monday. He replied Tuesday. We sent a payment and final dispute letter today. I thought (hoped) that would be a break in the escalation.

I called the police on Monday when he started harrassing me and today. I was due to go in tomorrow to make a complaint. I still am going. Because I want to show the escalation from me sending a letter (which used entirely neutral language), to him threatening me and then carrying out those threats.

Definitely go in to file a report with the police.

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You what?

xprincessxjanetx · 16/03/2023 23:47

Your DH sounds wet i'm afraid!

He literally conned you out of 4k and then dumped shit outside your drive and then ASSAULTED you?! I would be raising merry hell!

Absolutely publicly name and shame (keep the video for conviction - and press charges immediately!)

Don't let this thug get away with this!

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 23:47

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Are you ok? You seem really upset about me writing a long post and not being able to get through it. You can opt not to read mumsnet. You can do it, if you really try! You can click other posts! And write your super unhelpful and unfriendly replies on those. Maybe they are like 1-2 sentences so you can understand them fully.
I don't have any under-fives, but thanks for your concern.

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Nothing2lose · 16/03/2023 23:48

Oh wow you’ve been completely HAD!

We had the same job done in central London (west) a few weeks ago. Taking apart a shed/outbuilding with electrics in so sturdy and tidy up. We paid £700.

One man did it alone. He was there 8am-5pm. He was courteous and polite. He left the house spotless (no side access etc so he put down plastic on the floor).

honestly this isn’t £4K of work and you deserve your money back and they should be prosecuted so they don’t do this to some other person.

TwoHedgehogs · 16/03/2023 23:48

I think most people know the sort you have accidentally hired here (if I use the word my post will be deleted I'm sure). I highly doubt this is a legitimate business and would be rather concerned that these people know where you live. They really do think they are above the law. I'm not sure I'd pursue it as Id be concerned about further retaliation. I think in future do your homework properly, find a legitimate company and agree a price beforehand. I'm not sure it's worth feeling unsafe to pursue, this is how they operate.

pollykitty · 16/03/2023 23:49

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I did make a complaint. I'm really concerned about you. You don't seem to be able to read or understand English. I mean, have you always been like this? Or is it recent? might want to see your GP.

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SimpleMelody · 16/03/2023 23:50

@BearLeft are you ok?

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