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Incels

311 replies

Theninetieswerebetter · 26/02/2023 22:37

Is anyone watching ‘Untold’ on Channel 4?

I worry for my DD’s future

OP posts:
willaby123 · 26/02/2023 23:38

Yes watched it and I worry for all women out there. What on earth is this world coming to? How on earth do these males feel so entitled?

Ladyzfactor · 27/02/2023 00:10

I infrequently post on an anti-incel subreddit page and have gotten the weirdest, most offensive messages from them from time to time. What's the saddest is most are either in their teens or early twenties, and social interactions are with fellow incels who tell them to give up all hope and it's over. I've tried to tell some that's it's not a big deal at all to be a virgin later in life, hell I was one until 22 or so.

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

WhyCantYourPartnerDoIt · 27/02/2023 00:22

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

You are part of the problem.

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:23

WhyCantYourPartnerDoIt · 27/02/2023 00:22

You are part of the problem.

Why am I part of the problem?

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:24

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

You clearly don't know much about incels.

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:25

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

Are you an incel?! What is this fibber

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:26

*gibberish

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:27

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:25

Are you an incel?! What is this fibber

I’m not. But equally I’m not the one encouraging young men to behave in a manner that society generally finds distasteful

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:30

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:27

I’m not. But equally I’m not the one encouraging young men to behave in a manner that society generally finds distasteful

More gibberish

Where do you get your theories from?

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:33

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:30

More gibberish

Where do you get your theories from?

It observations born out of experience. The men that are generally more successful in their lives are the ones that display what is often described as “toxic masculinity”, wimpy effeminate men get trod on. Incels, in my experience, realise that they are in the latter group

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:34

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:33

It observations born out of experience. The men that are generally more successful in their lives are the ones that display what is often described as “toxic masculinity”, wimpy effeminate men get trod on. Incels, in my experience, realise that they are in the latter group

Oh. So you're an incel.

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:35

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:34

Oh. So you're an incel.

Not at all. You haven’t disputed what I said, which is interesting..

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:36

@GothicViolence perpetuating these stereotypes is what causes more men to become uncles. I married my husband, a virgin and not toxic masculine asshole, at 28 exactly because he wasn't like that.

Also your username makes me think you are a loner incel dressed in black and angry. You should probably get some counseling.

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:36

Incels! Damn autocorrect

ConfusedNT · 27/02/2023 00:38

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

No the incel movement is what happens when some men realise that now that women don't have to rely on men for social and financial reasons, men actually have to be decent men to attract women, and instead of being decent they decided to bitch about how women should still be relying on them instead

Meanwhile men who are decent men are still getting women and that really pisses them off. Because that means that womens emancipation hasn't stopped women getting together with men, it's just stopped them getting together with/staying with the bad ones. And that means they would have to do something about their behaviour and that's hard. So it's easier to bitch about women instead.

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:38

dollypartin · 27/02/2023 00:36

@GothicViolence perpetuating these stereotypes is what causes more men to become uncles. I married my husband, a virgin and not toxic masculine asshole, at 28 exactly because he wasn't like that.

Also your username makes me think you are a loner incel dressed in black and angry. You should probably get some counseling.

How does your husband get on in his life? Aside from his marriage, is he ever passed over for promotions at work?

takealettermsjones · 27/02/2023 00:40

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:16

The incel movement is what happens when a generation of young men are told to act in a less masculine way, only to find out that society finds feminine men off-putting.

At they save time they find that their peers who didn’t let themselves be brow beaten into ignoring their programming do better in every metric.

Which generation of young men are you referring to?
Who told them to act in a less masculine way?
What does less masculine mean, exactly?
Again, who is brow beating these men?
What 'programming'?
Which 'metrics'?

takealettermsjones · 27/02/2023 00:42

ConfusedNT · 27/02/2023 00:38

No the incel movement is what happens when some men realise that now that women don't have to rely on men for social and financial reasons, men actually have to be decent men to attract women, and instead of being decent they decided to bitch about how women should still be relying on them instead

Meanwhile men who are decent men are still getting women and that really pisses them off. Because that means that womens emancipation hasn't stopped women getting together with men, it's just stopped them getting together with/staying with the bad ones. And that means they would have to do something about their behaviour and that's hard. So it's easier to bitch about women instead.

👏

dottypencilcase · 27/02/2023 00:44

Couldn't have said it better myself @ConfusedNT 🙌🏻

StellaGibson2022 · 27/02/2023 00:44

ConfusedNT · 27/02/2023 00:38

No the incel movement is what happens when some men realise that now that women don't have to rely on men for social and financial reasons, men actually have to be decent men to attract women, and instead of being decent they decided to bitch about how women should still be relying on them instead

Meanwhile men who are decent men are still getting women and that really pisses them off. Because that means that womens emancipation hasn't stopped women getting together with men, it's just stopped them getting together with/staying with the bad ones. And that means they would have to do something about their behaviour and that's hard. So it's easier to bitch about women instead.

You summed it up nicely @ConfusedNT

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:46

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:35

Not at all. You haven’t disputed what I said, which is interesting..

What you said was pure incel delusion.

Do you also believe your wrists are too small and your jaw is too narrow to get a girlfriend?

Incels will blame women, society, their bank balance, their mothers, their arbitrary body part measurements...anything and anyone is to blame for their singleness except the obvious culprit, their rancid personalities.

Some introspection would really help them. But their enormous sense of entitlement combined with intense misogyny and fragile ego leads them to instead play victim and call for government intervention or mass shootings because they can't find a hot adult virgin to be their girlfriend.

TerrysGotPeeves · 27/02/2023 00:46

ConfusedNT · 27/02/2023 00:38

No the incel movement is what happens when some men realise that now that women don't have to rely on men for social and financial reasons, men actually have to be decent men to attract women, and instead of being decent they decided to bitch about how women should still be relying on them instead

Meanwhile men who are decent men are still getting women and that really pisses them off. Because that means that womens emancipation hasn't stopped women getting together with men, it's just stopped them getting together with/staying with the bad ones. And that means they would have to do something about their behaviour and that's hard. So it's easier to bitch about women instead.

Wonderfully put. I fecking love this post, thank you @ConfusedNT .

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:49

takealettermsjones · 27/02/2023 00:40

Which generation of young men are you referring to?
Who told them to act in a less masculine way?
What does less masculine mean, exactly?
Again, who is brow beating these men?
What 'programming'?
Which 'metrics'?

All fair enough questions.

Millennials and Gen Z

Its been a political push from the elites to subdue the west, they did this by me forcing the politics of the HR department onto wider society.

It depends on the household but the indoctrination starts at home, absentee fathers are a huge problem, it takes men to raise men.

The introduction of seed oils and soy into the modern diet has also caused testosterone levels to plummet.

The programming that meant men in the Stone Age could hunt the mammoth.

Any metric you can think of; career, interpersonal relationships, health, wealth..

Idkrealorfake · 27/02/2023 00:52

GothicViolence · 27/02/2023 00:49

All fair enough questions.

Millennials and Gen Z

Its been a political push from the elites to subdue the west, they did this by me forcing the politics of the HR department onto wider society.

It depends on the household but the indoctrination starts at home, absentee fathers are a huge problem, it takes men to raise men.

The introduction of seed oils and soy into the modern diet has also caused testosterone levels to plummet.

The programming that meant men in the Stone Age could hunt the mammoth.

Any metric you can think of; career, interpersonal relationships, health, wealth..

Wow we have a live one