Incels

[Theninetieswerebetter]

Is anyone watching ‘Untold’ on Channel 4?

I worry for my DD’s future

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Of course they should. I wouldn't have married my husband if he hadn't battered a few other blokes to prove his manliness 🙄

I thought that was outlandish too, but it really is the best thing for a young man’s development

Away and hunt a mammoth.

Yup, it's an arsehole

Hunting and fishing are great pursuits

Incels will blame women, society, their bank balance, their mothers, their arbitrary body part measurements...anything and anyone is to blame for their singleness except the obvious culprit, their rancid personalities.

This. That arsehole who shot those poor college women wasn't bad looking. He was however, fucking deranged. And not gentle and kind deranged. Weird and stabby deranged.

Men who express themselves in these violent and threatening ways and we're supposed to believe that's because they are mimicking an HR department? No, these are the scary ones.

And men wearing eyeliner and with floppy hair made out like bandits in the 90s and 00s so there's no issue with that.

I don’t know for sure whether I speak for everyone, but I’m super attracted to GothicViolence right now.

Can I run my fingers through your neck-beard?

Neckbeard is getting the attention he craves, neckbeard is winning.

random article but there are actually a fair few.
www.healthoplane.com/psychological-effects-of-growing-up-without-a-father/#:~:text=Without%20an%20essential%20male%20role%20model%2C%20boys%20may,and%20how%20to%20thus%20best%20serve%20their%20family.

Um what are you reading and which podcasts are you listening to?

Are we back to the 80s blaming single mothers for everything adult men do?

YANBU I do fear for a whole generation of boys and girls.

Incels are becoming so pervasive on social media that teachers and parents are referring their kids to the prevent programme which is usually for extremist religious ideologies. I ended up on an incel forum, and they were talking about the murder of a 19 year old girl and the things they were writing I wish I hadn't read and I'm not easily shaken.

Boys and young men are being told by people like Tatertot and in incel forums that women gaining rights, speaking up about and against sexism and misogyny is taking rights away from men. I'm seeing a creeping rhetoric that when women speak out against certain things like sexist jokes and about things like feminism, they get accused of being abusive and misandric and of "toxic femininity"

Boys and young men are being told on social media that girls are only good as holes to fuck and basically doing everything a man tells them to do without complaint.

Girls are being told that if they complain about anything then they're misandrists, abusers and displaying toxic femininity.

It's really fucked up, incels are only the tip of the iceberg. It's the Andrew Tates of the world who are shaping how young men view women that I worry about more, because he does it in an accessible, salesman type way. And boys are listening to him.

I don't think I've lived in a time where overt misogyny was so accepted and seemingly defended, it's insidious.

So how do you square that with the majority of incels being European and white?

Men being uninvolved with child rearing is an issue. Maybe they should be more caring and sharing.

No, I think the attitudes and politics of the HR department has permeated to wider society to everyone’s detriment.

As for the lads with floppy hair and eye liner I always found that they had more license to behave badly than their more conventional looking brethren.

So it's really men's fault for abandoning their children.

Weird I've never once heard an incel say that. You should let them know the true cause, and they can stop abusing women who want nothing to do with them and get therapy instead.

I’m not an incel but I said that absentee fathers are a huge problem earlier.

To be fair, as someone else pointed out, incels tend to be white. They’re an easy touch to refer to Prevent because there won’t be a backlash from the Guardian/opportunistic human rights lawyers.

I'm not feeding the troll.

I will say that younger women appear to be choosing either women, or no one, to have a relationship with now more and more. As a lovely young man I know said, "well you can't really blame them, most teenage boys are horrible".

Men need to step their game up. Women now work, bring up children, run homes and do all the blue jobs. If men can't d blue or pink jobs, why do we need them? TBF DH's theory is I need him to find things or he'd be single.

"I'm not an X but..."

Yup.

A lot of women want kids though. You tend to see a lot those in their 20s who couldn’t be arsed suddenly panic when they hit their 30s and they realise they want children.

Just an observation from a “troll” mind.

It's mostly white men who are incels, not those from minority communities

It makes sense, a generation or two ago the white man was king. Now they have to contend with a greater equality which feels like somethings been taken away from them

They are still being socialised by society to assume that they are owed success because they are white and male, and when success doesn't come easily they haven't been taught to cope with that like women and POC are.

Put that alongside women who don't need them to the same extent and you get mediocre white men thinking everyone else had taken their birthright from them.

Now when you add in that men from single parent households are more likely to have witnessed domestic violence and abuse, if more incels do come from single parent households then it makes sense they would move towards toxic mysoginistic viewpoints.

But given children from lesbian (and gay) households tends to achieve the same outcomes as children from two parent households I'm not sure the fact that single parent households tend to be mums is the issue otherwise you would get the same issues with children raised by lesbian couples.

Is that you Lori Alexander The Transformed Wife probably not but it's the kind of bull shit she spouts

Going back to the point incels mostly being white, why do you think that is? Truly? What is the difference between the Islamic treatment of masculinity and the secular western approach?