Incels

[Theninetieswerebetter]

Is anyone watching ‘Untold’ on Channel 4?

I worry for my DD’s future

The only under 50s with any resemblance of masculine appearance or traits (and I don't mean 'toxic masculinity') I see seem to be builders, farmers and the armed forces. That's it

Now I know you're having a laugh.

I wonder if they are trying out material for a stand-up routine.

What is this obsession with us needing “protection”? Protection from what?

I feel like some incels people on this thread are missing the point about incels by a country mile.

Even if women aren't attracted to "effeminate" men - so what?

That doesn't give anyone, effeminate or not, the right to attack, rape, torture or murder us.

I did not see the programme, but the concerns of the OP I think are very valid. Online communities (if you can term them that) give people ideas and can turn people into hatred- not just radicalisation in the more traditional sense of the word.

Then when you add in the low detection and/or conviction rate for violence towards young women, issue is even worse.

But the current drive from society to try to emasculate men at all cost is indeed worrying.

I thought women wanted 'manly men'? Aren't women half of society? Why would we want emasculated men if we want them manly?

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We can be attracted to people, We can't force them to be attracted us, and we have no right to "punish" them for their preferences

I know a beer-drinking blokey plasterer who dotes on his wee chihuahua. Where does he fit in all this?

Maybe chihuahuas are Incels spirit animal?

Nasty bitey little bastards with a grudge against the world

I fear that the incel community, if there is such a thing, feel the need to blame something or someone for their unfulfilling private lives. It's more likely that there is no one to blame, nothing to point the finger at and no obvious explanation. I'm 52, male and and have been single all my life. Not even a single date. I'd be a liar if I said it doesn't bother me because it does. On the other hand, I don't let myself be consumed by my personal shortcomings. I suspect I'm just one of the unlucky ones. We can't all be successful and I recognise this. Tough but true. Those who turn bitter, angry, resentful - even violent - sound disturbed and disturbing.

I'm quite interested to find out how certain people on this thread think wars are fought nowadays.
I mean, we're going to be really fucked when we don't have a surplus of traditionally masculine men to punch drones out of the sky, or stoically face off a serious cyber security threat, or exercise their evolutionary honed mammoth hunting skills against a tank.

or stoically face off a serious cyber security threat

To be fair, Maurice Moss is the man you'd want on your team in this instance.

I'd also like to know the answer to this.

All the women I've known who have needed protection were endangered by their own male partners and fathers' violence, abuse and neglect.

Women are mostly attacked by men they know. Children too.

Most men, known or strangers, couldn't give a fuck about this fact. Also seems like the police are either at it themselves, or covering for their mates. Men start wars with each other, and have done since the beginning of time.

Meanwhile women first set up the refuges to protect women from the men who put them in there. Because no one else would do it.

Male protection is a myth.

Are you serious?

Right now, a few hours away Ukrainian men and women are fighting a war side by side.

Do you think if you'd grown up with the internet and access to forums of incels while very young, you might feel differently about your situation?

There does seem to be a lot of radicalising going on among themselves - they are actually really horrible to each other, they even encourage each other to try suicide. They validate each others' misery and hopelessness and try to convince themselves and others that this is just their unbearable fate. Then they seem to progress to celebrating violence against women, as revenge.

Not every incel is going to kill people. Some of them are clearly struggling with mental health and have been swallowed up by an online cult that encourages giving up.

I felt sorry for the young lad "D". He was a NEET with no friends, and sounded like a sad shut-in whose entire social life is online.

I was like that for a bit, and it is hard to find friends or acquaintances with no pre-existing friends, no workplace, little money and no confidence.

I hope the interaction he had with the lady at the pub helped him question the incel crap and he manages to find a job for a self-esteem boost and more people to talk to.

The young lady brainwashing herself with gore and contemplating suicide...jesus christ. Some of these people need serious help.

I know that. And being the biggest, toughest man imaginable is very little use against a drone strike.

I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not

My butch, ex-army officer, rugby playing, beast of a BIL has a kitten that he loves beyond belief and snuggles in his beard like it's made of glass. Is he emasculated???

Because he's literally trained to kill. Incels love military blokes don't they?? 'Real' men and all that

Nah they hate them almost as much as women. Chads.

The thing is, it doesn't matter if they live in their mum's basements, love chihuahuas or spend their whole time at the gym and have to enter a room sideways.

No one has the right to sex or a relationship. Definitely not with someone who doesn't want to. The inability to accept that and look inwards is what's causing all the anger and violence. "I deserve x" . No you fucking don't. The world doesn't owe you shit. Women and girls don't owe you shit.

@Idkrealorfake. That's a fair question and I'd hope not.

Watching it now after reading this thread. Very aware of the movement but never watched a doc, very sad so far...

I am still stuck on the idea that it would be 'unacceptable' for anyone to be scared of something or someone or some-group that genuinely poses a risk to others and carries a pretty stats for... being fucking dangerous.

Fear is not unacceptable, the idea that it is is fucking toxic - sometimes our brains go a bit overboard and we're fearful to a point where we may put ourselves and others at risk (terrified of wasps... crashes car due to wasp trapped in a moving vehicle, for example) but that's not what we're talking about here.

Fear is a normal thing, NOT being fearful of things that are risky is abnormal, for any species, thats how you die.