Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

I won't vote for any party whose members turn themselves into human pretzels over the definition of a woman. Kier Starmer is weak and pathetic - the treatment of Rosie Duffield by her own party has been appalling.

I live in Wales, under a Labour government - you can't get an ambulance here either!

The Tories are immoral bastards but at least they don't pretend to be morally superior

Some countries have coalitions in government as standard. I’m hugely in favour but the downside I assume is nothing gets done.

Im going to vote Tory next time, for the first time in my life because they're the only party who knows what a woman is.

If I vote SNP/Lab/Lib/Green then i'm voting to prioritise male feelings over women's safety.

As much as id love an alternative to vote for, I cant see one.

You might get lucky and have a far right, libertarian, still promising fairyland if we just take away ordinary British people's rights and protections, Reform Party candidate run by the guy who told us Brexit would be brilliant.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

There's a story in the Mail about LibDem Christine Jardine defending Nicola Surgeon's disastrous policy today - that's how you get people voting Tory!

And don't forget the ' chaos with Miliband' !
That was awful wasn't it?

I’m glad people are talking about it

Idiots - the politicians that is

Yes it's dreadful in most EU countries. Nothing ever gets done. Terribly wishy washy and boring too. How one misses the thrill crazed white knuckle ride of British politics.

Come,come @Abhannmor ... you can hardly say that French politics is dull right now. A million people striking and/or protesting about increasing retirement age to a level where it would be less of a burden on the working young? From 62 to 64, which is still two (soon to be three) years younger than here.

This.

When Labour actively champion "tRanS WomEn ArE WoMeN!" and ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with their fascism then no, can't vote for gaslighters.

Don't want to vote for any party who can't define a woman as Adult Human Female, Tories, Labour, Lib Dems etc included.

3 out of 4 Tory PMs don't know what a woman is.

Sunak
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4517255-JHB-asks-Rishi-Sunak-what-is-a-woman

What Boris Johnson said www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

Theresa May kicking off the whole shitshow. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3063957-Theresa-May-backs-self-ID

And thats before you get into Mordaunt, Greening, Nokes, Blunt and of course Britain's first trans MP, Jamie Wallis who is going to be a woman.🤯 The whole "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is"🙄 was just another Tory lie.

But are the remaining 25% forced to meet in secret and are they heckled by their own party members when they speak about the importance of women's sex based rights?

We’re angry! I hope people are reading this!

You've spelled twats wrong, OP.

Probably not, too busy reporting non Tory women to the police for retweeting JKR.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4501219-DM-Surrey-PCC-Townsend-censured-over-JKR-tweet-re-rapists

Because they are dumb. At least, the ones who use public services are.

And now we have a PM who travels to Leeds in a private jet.

It's a bit like how stupid people voted to leave the EU because they thought David Cameron was ugly.

They aren't all the same. The NHS wasn't a pile of shit in 2009.

Bit of a non-sequitur there. I'll try again, are the gender critical members of the Tory party forced to meet in secret, are they asked not to attend conferences, are they heckled by their own members in Parliament?

Don't vote Labour if you don't want to for whatever reason @FourTeaFallOut but it is a complete lie to say the Tory party knows what a woman is, or is beneficial to women.

In 2009, only a tiny minority of demographers were considering the avalanche of age and frailty that the NHS is facing 14 years later.

You are misrepresenting my point. Which is that there is no space for dissenting voices in the Labour Party. That not only is it captured by gender faith - it is also captured by the tyranny of conformity. I don't think you can have a democracy when legitimate points of view are hounded to the shadows to retain a pure orthodoxy.

@FourTeaFallOut considering the main points for any election campaigns are likely to be health and education with a side line on the economy. Not the current obsession with gender (it must be trending).

What are you going to do if the Tories or Lib Dem table a policy that introduces fees for the NHS or schools or whatever services you use. But labour although supporting self ID want to keep it free at the point of use.

Gender is never going to win an election

Well, yes, you may be right. Concerns about democracy and women's right may be secondary to concerns about the economy at the ballot box for the majority of voters.

Still, I won't vote for any party that will not countenance the notion that women are a sex class nor a party that cannot tolerate open debate. Talk about slippery slope.

TooBigForMyBoots
*3 out of 4 Tory PMs don't know what a woman is^
Sunak
What Boris Johnson said

Your quotes are old - Sunak has obviously blotted his copybook with the trans community now:

www.thepinknews.com/2022/07/30/rishi-sunak-trans-rights-equality-act/
metro.co.uk/2022/11/13/rishi-sunak-wants-to-make-life-harder-for-trans-people-like-me-17737917/
www.thepinknews.com/2022/08/26/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-trans-women/
www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/57982/1/will-rishi-sunaks-anti-trans-crusade-destroy-the-united-kingdom

Johnson’s remarks, which reference the argument that sex-based rights should not be eroded by those based on gender identity, stand in contrast to those of the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, who recently stated that “trans women are women”.

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/mar/23/call-for-respect-for-trans-rights-after-boris-johnson-says-biology-overwhelmingly-important

Boris says women 'can't be born with a penis'
www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-says-women-cant-be-born-with-a-penis/