Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

Neededanew thank you for answering my question. I wonder, Will Labour be able to make them pay more tax?

If the US government can do it, why wouldn’t the UK government?

There was (I believe) some kind of cross country agreement to have a minimum rate of corporation tax (15%?).

It's a tricky one as yesterday's AZ decision shows.

I don’t know. As I said, maybe Labour will make them pay tax - but if they do then anything bought via Amazon will be more expensive.

Errr... because Amazon records a lot of its European, including UK, sales via Ireland or Luxembourg... so there's not a lot of profit recorded in those countries to pay tax. Could that be why?

Do "The Conservative Woman" know what a woman is?

If so, where are they? There must be at least a token woman at a Conservative Woman event, surely?

To be fair I've never heard of them. I assume they're some far right extremist, conspiracy theory, astro-turfing outfit judging by who is there.

The Conservatives have had 3 women Prime Ministers. Which is 3 more than Labour have had, they haven't even had a female leader.

Well at the rate of five party leaders since 2016 in the Tory party everyone's going to get a go.

Oh the Tories are in a bad state. But it'd be nice if Labour got themselves into a position where the Tories are firing on all cylinders, the country is doing well, everyone is happy, and Labour win in a landslide. Instead of being the party that wins when the Tories implode.

Yes, it's definitely time to Sack-a-tort...

I don't think the problem's with the Labour Party. I think it's with us.

There's none so blind as those who will not see etc.

There's nothing they could do to convert the people who have outdated views and don't keep up with current affairs.

Or the extremists who only

want to keep Labour out.

But they are a dying breed, and a small percentage of voters these days.

verdantverdure You say the problem is not that Labour offer the wrong policies but that we are the wrong kind of voters?
Thats an extremist view.

It's not as if in 5 or 10 or 20 years time there won't be any people with "outdated views" or that don't keep up with current affairs. Placing your hopes on the voters of tomorrow is pointless because tomorrow never comes.

13 years is a long time to be in opposition. Labour are pretty much facing an open goal. They’ve had quite easy elections to win before though so we’ll see.

I’d prefer they took another direction with that amount of lead and people being fed up but it seems they too fear losing similar groups of voters.

It’ll go in cycles but in terms of where we’ll be in ten years, for example, I’d not discount the impact of climate change and how electorates will respond to big changes they see.

No.

I said that some people will never vote Labour because of their entrenched views.

The far right currently setting police vans on fire in Liverpool, Gordon Brown's bigoted woman, Brexit extremists who don't care how bad Brexit is for our country - they wanted it, they got it, and now they expect the rest of us to live with the consequences for the rest of our lives. It doesn't matter what Labour do they'll never vote for them.

Polls show that half of us do plan to vote Labour though, and that's more than enough.

I said that some people will never vote Labour because of their entrenched views.

But this is equally true for a core of Labour supporters. And I would never vote for Labour. But it's the floaters (excuse the term) that swing it one way or another.

That is true. There are certainly Labour voters who are entrenched

I generally float around the middle, as I think most people do, and have voted for all parties over the last 30 odd years.

Undoubtedly Labour will get in at the next election. But anyone who thinks that they are going to make any radical change is kidding themselves. The last couple of years under the Tories, have been the most socialist/left of cedntre since goodness knows when. Tax and spend. Printing money. Supporting workers through Covid with furlough and loans, lowering business rates and upping UC. Supporting the country through numerous types of Cost of Living payments. Taxing Oil and Gas at 75%. What will Labour so that will be so different?

Absolutely agree. As a few of us Conservative voters have said, it's not a traditional Tory government. At least, based on previous governments.

I'm not.

I'm saying the Labour Party us doing what it needs to do and it's working on everybody it can reasonably be expected to.

Not use government contracts to funnel billions to their mates putting the country into record levels of debt in the process.

Not use government contracts to funnel billions to their mates putting the country into record levels of debt in the process

It depends, there are 40 Strategic suppliers to the government. Taking up about 19bn of spend, but even that is only 11% of the total spend. Lots of IT and Business consultancies, engineering, infrastructure. Who exactly are you talking about when you say "mates".

www.tussell.com/insights/uk-government-strategic-suppliers

And they're all floating towards Labour at the moment.

All the other stuff.

You know, the stuff that means HS2 is going to do less than promised but cost billions more and some Tory donors have got very rich.

That kind of thing.