Page 12 | To think that caring about what is fashionable is childish?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/01/2023 11:39

Balenciaga❤️❤️❤️
Look at Jacques Fath too. He died before he really made it. Him and Balenciaga are my favourite designers from the past. Balenciaga’s stuff is like art. I think he trained as an architect and you can see it in his work.

ReneBumsWombats · 19/01/2023 11:40

Iamthewombat · 19/01/2023 10:51

However, the OP has unwittingly done me a service because I’ve really enjoyed following the links to fashion websites and looking up Viktor & Rolf haute couture.

Me too. My interest is relatively recent so I appreciate all the information from more knowledgeable people.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/01/2023 11:46

Here’s another one to drool over.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=guo+pei&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=insv&sxsrf=AJOqlzVjIJ-O4CQYLTLiUsCaSdeZvhXfwg:1674128739158&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir57jGx9P8AhWURsAKHa-XCt0Q_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3

Iamthewombat · 19/01/2023 11:51

I remember how much I loved this when it was reported in 2019. Just stunning. It actually made my day, seeing it (I am an accountant so don’t get much day to day fashion excitement).

www.vogue.com/vogueworld/article/gwendoline-christie-iris-van-herpen-dress-game-of-thrones-season-8-premiere

SocksAndTheCity · 19/01/2023 11:58

I will look up Jacques Fath (when I'm not supposed to be working!)

The V&A showed the Balenciaga gowns with X rays so we could see the structure underneath - it was fabulous 😀

To think that caring about what is fashionable is childish?

astarsheis · 19/01/2023 12:34

Because I enjoy fashion and like looking 'on trend' that doesn't mean that I don't have my own style.
You actually sound a little immature...and quite childish

Salacia · 19/01/2023 12:45

SocksAndTheCity · 19/01/2023 11:37

It got me digging around for my photos from a good few V&A exhibitions! Balenciaga, Dior, McQueen, and the wedding dress one 😊

I'll also add Yohji Yamamoto and Comme des Garçons for some awesome couture pics.

I loved the wedding dress exhibit - gave me the confidence to design my own dress (with the help of a very talented seamstress!), must dig out the exhibition book…wish I lived closer and could get there more easily.

OverCCCs · 19/01/2023 18:43

For starters, since most modern western women buy their clothes, it’s virtually impossible to ignore fashion entirely. I’d imagine if someone looked at a photo of you, they could pinpoint you to at the very least the late 20th or early 21st century, so I hardly expect you’re walking around in what would likely be a far comfier toga, housecoat, or moomoo.

Second, we’re no longer in the era where a married woman was automatically expected to chop off her hair and start dressing in a utilitarian manner for the rest of her life. We can enjoy beautiful things if we want, and for some of us that includes having fun and being creative with what we wear. Why should we blend into the background because we’ve reached a certain biological age?

RobertaFirmino · 19/01/2023 21:27

Live and let live. I think it's a bit silly myself but what other people wear has no effect on me and my life at all. As long as people aren't wearing dirty/smelly clothes, offensive slogans and have their particles covered, I'm not judging.

I'll tell you what IS childish though - an unwillingness to appreciate that other people might do things differently to you.

KimberleyClark · 19/01/2023 21:36

Zanatdy · 18/01/2023 20:39

I think it’s fine to want to not look like you’re stuck in another century with your fashion choices but some clothes are intended for youngsters in my opinion, and this includes the trend for crop tops. Look great on my teenage DD, don’t look great on anyone over 30

I hate cropped anything. I have thick ankles and look awful in cropped trousers. They look so chic on other people. And cropped tops obviously a no no as I’m 61.

KimberleyClark · 19/01/2023 21:38

Meant to add,no point in being on trend if that trend does not actually suit your body.

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 19/01/2023 21:48

Things that mostly women like doing for fun are often deemed childish, or frivolous, or silly.

I'm no fashionista myself, but I can see how significant physical presentation has always been in most cultures throughout history and across the globe.

I hate the modern, western fashion industry not because it's "immature" to like it, but because it's less about self expression and more about selling more clothes. So things that are considered stylish one season are suddenly deemed hideous the next.

I mean if a friend said to you that you look great in an outfit in July, and then terrible in it six months later, they would be a shit friend. Sometimes the industry takes all the fun out of dressing up, because our insecurity turns a nice big profit.

echt · 19/01/2023 21:52

Caring about fashion does not automatically indicate a fundamental lack of confidence. The reverse in fact. I have very decided ideas about how I want to look and if it don't look right, it can be as on trend as you like, I'm not buying it.

Seeing what's available in shops doesn't mean one accepts it, as an example I wouldn't be caught dead in the once trendy flowery dress and white trainers, so I've saved a bit there. On the other hand denim jackets going out of style?Pffft: a Levi jacket always looks good to me.

KimberleyClark · 19/01/2023 22:17

I hate the modern, western fashion industry not because it's "immature" to like it, but because it's less about self expression and more about selling more clothes. So things that are considered stylish one season are suddenly deemed hideous the next.

I agree. Fashion is unsustainable really.

DeidreData · 19/01/2023 22:43

Salacia · 18/01/2023 18:06

I don’t think the women asking on the style and beauty boards if x,y or z is fashionable are childish. I think it’s often coming from a place of uncertainty of their place in the world. Especially given the demographic of the site has a lot of users who have had children, been temporarily out of the workplace or drifted from friends who don’t have children yet etc and are worried that they’ve lost themselves. Women get the double standard of being judged for their looks whilst simultaneously being told that fashion etc is silly or childish.
It’s also interesting that it’s arguably the creative art most associated with women and thus comes in for the most criticism as not sensible or frivolous.

If somebody was quite literally throwing away their white trainers etc because vogue said so and wearing an outfit they hated/felt terrible in because instagram told them too then I think you’d have a point but I imagine (hope) people this extreme are relatively rare outside of Ab Fab.

I also think that ‘fashion’ is more diverse now in terms of looks/trends (long way to g in representation on and off the catwalk though!). There’s normcore (which ironically a lot of the ‘I don’t do fashion’ posters likely fall in to), regency revival, dark academia, e-girls, ballet core, cottagecore, maximalism, twee, indie sleaze plus the perennial goth/grunge/hippy/preppy etc. You seem adamant that there’s a single look but I just don’t see that in contemporary fashion. There are common master trends (things like the cut of clothes etc) but how they’re interpreted differs wildly.

Here are some examples of women who are famously have an interest in fashion/style or at least utilise it as a tool, their clothes will be direct from the catwalk/latest collections or have been picked by a stylist who is at the heart of the fashion industry - Jodie Turner Smith, Tilda Swinton, Lily Collins, Michele Obama, Jenna Ortega, Carey Mulligan, Caitriona Balfe. Surely you can appreciate that all these looks are ‘fashionable’ but they are by no means interchangeable and that each women has maintained their self expression?

The fun of fashion (if that’s not too childish thing to say) is pulling it together to find something that suits you and that you love. Fashion is a way of injecting creativity into my life. I have a non-creative job but I can be flexible in what I wear - yesterday it was wide leg rose print trousers with a slouchy jumper and platform snake-print boots, the day before it was a vintage 1970s check dress with a cropped cardigan and cowboy boots, tomorrow probably a t-shirt dress with a bright sheer shirt dress over the top. I am under no illusions that how I put these outfits together is not removed from current fashion trends. The dress may be 50 years old but there’s currently a western revival and the check fired off the cowboy boot association in my brain. I’m not opting out of fashion by wearing vintage/shopping in second hand shops - I’m just accessing it in a different way.

👏🏽❤️👏🏽❤️👏🏽❤️👏🏽❤️

Hellothere54 · 19/01/2023 23:06

@Chubbernut have to agree - personally have never been fashionable, or followed fashion, mostly because always been bigger and not much suited me.
However, I find the history of fashion fascinating as you can see the political and economic factors of the time have such an influence on how fashions change!

DailyCake · 20/01/2023 09:40

The thing about fashion is that it is cyclical (even if it returns with a bit of a twist), so if you remain the same size you can keep clothes for decades. <looks at 15 yr old black, wide legged trousers in wardrobe>. If you know how to sew you can adjust length, change necklines, sleeves, buttons, add darts etc to modernise at little additional cost.
It's such a useful skill to have that it should be taught in schools as part of the sustainability agenda. My mum taught us all to sew and that gave me the confidence to tackle curtains and machine quilted bed spreads when I had my own home.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/01/2023 12:05

It's such a useful skill to have that it should be taught in schools as part of the sustainability agenda. My mum taught us all to sew and that gave me the confidence to tackle curtains and machine quilted bed spreads when I had my own home

It is taught in some schools as part of DT. But as it’s the most expensive subject of all
to fund and run, most schools don’t run if.

Pinkkite · 20/01/2023 12:15

It’s a form of creativity and design. I don’t follow fashion but can see that the industry is a creative outlet. Blindly following fashion regardless of whether it suits you or you like it seems a bit daft to me. I don’t follow fashion though and have no desire to. I wear what suits me.

What I really hate though, is the awful waste and the diabolical environmental impact of the clothes industry as a whole. It’s part of the overall over-consumption we all partake in that ultimately will lead to our demise. It’s a form of group madness. We know what we are doing puts us and our children at risk of harm, but we keep doing it.

Fluffygreenslippers · 20/01/2023 12:38

There’s a difference between fashion & a difference between style. Also, what fashion are you following? Hand made couture fresh from the runway? Sack dresses from a high street retailers latest marketing campaign? Street style? Historically inspired Japanese kimonos? There are thousands of ways to dress and ‘follow’. I don’t think any one is particularly childish. Complaining people like to follow a trend seems rather childish and very not like other girls. Are you too good to care about your appearance? Do you scrub your face with carbolic soap and don a sack? Chances are what you wear is inspired by a trend somewhere.

Iamthewombat · 20/01/2023 15:11

Where are these blind and slavish followers of fashion? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. The only character I can think of who even vaguely fits that description is Edina Monsoon and she’s not real!

What does ‘blindly’ or ‘slavishly’ following fashion even mean?

Wearing clothes that you know you look terrible in? Who does that?

Wearing clothes that in the eye of the person using the ‘blind’ and ‘slavish’ descriptions, don’t suit the wearer? Isn’t that up to the wearer?

Wearing whatever high end designers put on a catwalk? Not many people can afford to do that, and even wealthy people are unlikely to buy clothes unless they like them.

Spending the mortgage money on heavily logoed gear? The latter isn’t following fashion: a T shirt with eg ‘Balenziaga’ blasted across it isn’t really fashion.

Let’s have a real life example of blind and slavish following of fashion, shall we? Then I might know who we’re talking about.

Iamthewombat · 20/01/2023 15:12

*Balenciaga

Myhydrangeachangedcolour · 20/01/2023 16:07

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 13:03

Or at least portrays a massive lack of confidence?

I can understand it in teenagers- you're still developing both physically and as a person and conformity is safety.

But for adults? Why would an adult choose clothes because they're "in" as opposed to whether or not you, personally suit them?
That they make you happy, comfortable or make you comfortable?

See plenty of threads on here asking exactly that.

But what does ‘suit them’ mean? That is a fashion in itself… As in, you might say ‘that colour suits you, it makes you look less pale’ but being tanned is a fashion. Or ‘that suits you, it makes you look thinner’- thin is a fashion, or ‘that suits you, it shows off your waist’ etc. It’s the same with makeup- the eye liner suits you, it makes your eyes look bigger.

I think your argument only holds up if you wear what you like regardless of if it is currently in fashion OR if it makes your body adhere to the current fashion for body type/shapes.