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To think that caring about what is fashionable is childish?

298 replies

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 13:03

Or at least portrays a massive lack of confidence?

I can understand it in teenagers- you're still developing both physically and as a person and conformity is safety.

But for adults? Why would an adult choose clothes because they're "in" as opposed to whether or not you, personally suit them?
That they make you happy, comfortable or make you comfortable?

See plenty of threads on here asking exactly that.

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ReneBumsWombats · 18/01/2023 17:50

LuckyStarz · 18/01/2023 17:22

@QuertyGirl there is no point conversing with you further as you have literally no understanding of what fashion even is.

Yep.

However, I saw her outfit of the day. Totally free of any trends, boundaries or contemporary influences.

Mummyford · 18/01/2023 17:54

Surely most people who are interested in how they look (some don't care, which is absolutely fine), dress in a mix of fashionable, convenient, classic, and their own style? I don't know many people over the age of 22 who are slavish about fashion. I do know a lot, though, who pay some attention because they like it and enjoy it. I have trouble seeing a problem with that.

I've bought a few de la Renta dresses over the years. They weren't fashionable, as in trendy, then and they aren't now, but they still look pretty great. The oldest one is about 12 years old. Teen DD knows they aren't fashionable, for sure, but periodically reminds me she wants them itemised in my will. The jeans I bought 12 years ago, not so much, they just look wrong. My eye has adjusted to more current silhouettes, so I buy new ones.

I don't consider my approach an indicator of mature superiority or of childishness, but pretty commonplace.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/01/2023 17:54

So what do people wear instead? Where do they buy these non fashionable clothes?

Because every single item retailing from sportswear to technical wear is influenced by silhouette and colour. Every single one.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/01/2023 17:55

However, I saw her outfit of the day. Totally free of any trends, boundaries or contemporary influences

😁must be wearing the Emperors new clothes then!

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/01/2023 17:57

DeFacto · 18/01/2023 17:23

There is no one 'fashion' anyway @QuertyGirl, different fashion houses have their own particular aesthetic. You're going to get a very different 'fashionable' look from The Row compared to Balmain or Chloè.

This.

And even then its watered down by the time it hits the high street. So what you see on a catwalk or couture is different to what's in River Island or Primark

Salacia · 18/01/2023 18:06

I don’t think the women asking on the style and beauty boards if x,y or z is fashionable are childish. I think it’s often coming from a place of uncertainty of their place in the world. Especially given the demographic of the site has a lot of users who have had children, been temporarily out of the workplace or drifted from friends who don’t have children yet etc and are worried that they’ve lost themselves. Women get the double standard of being judged for their looks whilst simultaneously being told that fashion etc is silly or childish.
It’s also interesting that it’s arguably the creative art most associated with women and thus comes in for the most criticism as not sensible or frivolous.

If somebody was quite literally throwing away their white trainers etc because vogue said so and wearing an outfit they hated/felt terrible in because instagram told them too then I think you’d have a point but I imagine (hope) people this extreme are relatively rare outside of Ab Fab.

I also think that ‘fashion’ is more diverse now in terms of looks/trends (long way to g in representation on and off the catwalk though!). There’s normcore (which ironically a lot of the ‘I don’t do fashion’ posters likely fall in to), regency revival, dark academia, e-girls, ballet core, cottagecore, maximalism, twee, indie sleaze plus the perennial goth/grunge/hippy/preppy etc. You seem adamant that there’s a single look but I just don’t see that in contemporary fashion. There are common master trends (things like the cut of clothes etc) but how they’re interpreted differs wildly.

Here are some examples of women who are famously have an interest in fashion/style or at least utilise it as a tool, their clothes will be direct from the catwalk/latest collections or have been picked by a stylist who is at the heart of the fashion industry - Jodie Turner Smith, Tilda Swinton, Lily Collins, Michele Obama, Jenna Ortega, Carey Mulligan, Caitriona Balfe. Surely you can appreciate that all these looks are ‘fashionable’ but they are by no means interchangeable and that each women has maintained their self expression?

The fun of fashion (if that’s not too childish thing to say) is pulling it together to find something that suits you and that you love. Fashion is a way of injecting creativity into my life. I have a non-creative job but I can be flexible in what I wear - yesterday it was wide leg rose print trousers with a slouchy jumper and platform snake-print boots, the day before it was a vintage 1970s check dress with a cropped cardigan and cowboy boots, tomorrow probably a t-shirt dress with a bright sheer shirt dress over the top. I am under no illusions that how I put these outfits together is not removed from current fashion trends. The dress may be 50 years old but there’s currently a western revival and the check fired off the cowboy boot association in my brain. I’m not opting out of fashion by wearing vintage/shopping in second hand shops - I’m just accessing it in a different way.

Calphurnia88 · 18/01/2023 18:35

Salacia · 18/01/2023 18:06

I don’t think the women asking on the style and beauty boards if x,y or z is fashionable are childish. I think it’s often coming from a place of uncertainty of their place in the world. Especially given the demographic of the site has a lot of users who have had children, been temporarily out of the workplace or drifted from friends who don’t have children yet etc and are worried that they’ve lost themselves. Women get the double standard of being judged for their looks whilst simultaneously being told that fashion etc is silly or childish.
It’s also interesting that it’s arguably the creative art most associated with women and thus comes in for the most criticism as not sensible or frivolous.

If somebody was quite literally throwing away their white trainers etc because vogue said so and wearing an outfit they hated/felt terrible in because instagram told them too then I think you’d have a point but I imagine (hope) people this extreme are relatively rare outside of Ab Fab.

I also think that ‘fashion’ is more diverse now in terms of looks/trends (long way to g in representation on and off the catwalk though!). There’s normcore (which ironically a lot of the ‘I don’t do fashion’ posters likely fall in to), regency revival, dark academia, e-girls, ballet core, cottagecore, maximalism, twee, indie sleaze plus the perennial goth/grunge/hippy/preppy etc. You seem adamant that there’s a single look but I just don’t see that in contemporary fashion. There are common master trends (things like the cut of clothes etc) but how they’re interpreted differs wildly.

Here are some examples of women who are famously have an interest in fashion/style or at least utilise it as a tool, their clothes will be direct from the catwalk/latest collections or have been picked by a stylist who is at the heart of the fashion industry - Jodie Turner Smith, Tilda Swinton, Lily Collins, Michele Obama, Jenna Ortega, Carey Mulligan, Caitriona Balfe. Surely you can appreciate that all these looks are ‘fashionable’ but they are by no means interchangeable and that each women has maintained their self expression?

The fun of fashion (if that’s not too childish thing to say) is pulling it together to find something that suits you and that you love. Fashion is a way of injecting creativity into my life. I have a non-creative job but I can be flexible in what I wear - yesterday it was wide leg rose print trousers with a slouchy jumper and platform snake-print boots, the day before it was a vintage 1970s check dress with a cropped cardigan and cowboy boots, tomorrow probably a t-shirt dress with a bright sheer shirt dress over the top. I am under no illusions that how I put these outfits together is not removed from current fashion trends. The dress may be 50 years old but there’s currently a western revival and the check fired off the cowboy boot association in my brain. I’m not opting out of fashion by wearing vintage/shopping in second hand shops - I’m just accessing it in a different way.

I agree with every word of this, and your style sounds right up my street (I'm also in a non-creative job - when not on mat leave - but like to express my creativity through clothing, often purchased on eBay).

Please be my friend 😅

MigsandTiggs · 18/01/2023 18:36

Salacia,👏but* *I suspect that your intelligent and informed post might be floating way above the OP's imagined mature and superior judgement of others' fashion choices.

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 18:40

Salacia · 18/01/2023 18:06

I don’t think the women asking on the style and beauty boards if x,y or z is fashionable are childish. I think it’s often coming from a place of uncertainty of their place in the world. Especially given the demographic of the site has a lot of users who have had children, been temporarily out of the workplace or drifted from friends who don’t have children yet etc and are worried that they’ve lost themselves. Women get the double standard of being judged for their looks whilst simultaneously being told that fashion etc is silly or childish.
It’s also interesting that it’s arguably the creative art most associated with women and thus comes in for the most criticism as not sensible or frivolous.

If somebody was quite literally throwing away their white trainers etc because vogue said so and wearing an outfit they hated/felt terrible in because instagram told them too then I think you’d have a point but I imagine (hope) people this extreme are relatively rare outside of Ab Fab.

I also think that ‘fashion’ is more diverse now in terms of looks/trends (long way to g in representation on and off the catwalk though!). There’s normcore (which ironically a lot of the ‘I don’t do fashion’ posters likely fall in to), regency revival, dark academia, e-girls, ballet core, cottagecore, maximalism, twee, indie sleaze plus the perennial goth/grunge/hippy/preppy etc. You seem adamant that there’s a single look but I just don’t see that in contemporary fashion. There are common master trends (things like the cut of clothes etc) but how they’re interpreted differs wildly.

Here are some examples of women who are famously have an interest in fashion/style or at least utilise it as a tool, their clothes will be direct from the catwalk/latest collections or have been picked by a stylist who is at the heart of the fashion industry - Jodie Turner Smith, Tilda Swinton, Lily Collins, Michele Obama, Jenna Ortega, Carey Mulligan, Caitriona Balfe. Surely you can appreciate that all these looks are ‘fashionable’ but they are by no means interchangeable and that each women has maintained their self expression?

The fun of fashion (if that’s not too childish thing to say) is pulling it together to find something that suits you and that you love. Fashion is a way of injecting creativity into my life. I have a non-creative job but I can be flexible in what I wear - yesterday it was wide leg rose print trousers with a slouchy jumper and platform snake-print boots, the day before it was a vintage 1970s check dress with a cropped cardigan and cowboy boots, tomorrow probably a t-shirt dress with a bright sheer shirt dress over the top. I am under no illusions that how I put these outfits together is not removed from current fashion trends. The dress may be 50 years old but there’s currently a western revival and the check fired off the cowboy boot association in my brain. I’m not opting out of fashion by wearing vintage/shopping in second hand shops - I’m just accessing it in a different way.

So as I said, it's at the very least a lack of confidence.

To be blunt, I still think it's a nasty trick played on us to keep us consuming.

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QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 18:48

@ReneBumsWombats

I think you've proved my point with that post.

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logicisall · 18/01/2023 18:48

the best compliment l ever get is " You have your very own look "

This reminded me of the work reference that said "I hope he gets the job he deserves".
My "compliment" is that I'm attracted to colour!😂

Salacia · 18/01/2023 18:54

@Calphurnia88 and @MigsandTiggs you’re making me blush.

@QuertyGirl - if it is lack of confidence then doesn’t that deserve empathy rather than a TAAT calling them childish? I was bullied horribly at school and it’s taken me years to get the confidence together to dress like I do. I just don’t care any more if somebody thinks my outfit is silly if I feel good in it. I don’t judge other people for not having that outlook though (I’m so scared of driving I had to stop and get incredibly anxious about going to a new coffee shop, we all have our strengths and weaknesses).

ReneBumsWombats · 18/01/2023 18:58

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 18:48

@ReneBumsWombats

I think you've proved my point with that post.

Yeah, I bet you do. But you'd be wrong.

Chibbers · 18/01/2023 19:09

Everyone follows fashion to a degree, even us die hard jeans and t.shirt types.
Almost everything in our lives has fashion, whether it's the clothes you wear, the colour of your walls, your car, the way and what you cook, your style of parenting, literally everything in your life.
It used to be known as keeping up with the Jones.
Some people however, are complete slaves to it, I swear if wearing a bin bag with hobnailed boots became the latest fashion, someone would be dashing to the shops to purchase it.
Remember when princess Diana first came on the scene? Suddenly it was Diana haircuts, bows and lace everywhere.
Then it died away because something else came along.
Calling someone childish for following fashion is daft when we're all victims of it in one way or another.

Thesinisterdiagram · 18/01/2023 19:12

OP if you’re going to criticise others for a supposed lack of individuality and confidence why not set an example for everyone and share your style, show us what individuality and confidence looks like. Just some examples of the kind of things you would wear?

bluesuitcase · 18/01/2023 19:16

ofwarren · 18/01/2023 13:35

I don't agree that it's childish, I think it's conformist.
It's great to see people wearing what they love rather than being slaves to what some fashion house decides is 'in' that season.

This.

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 19:19

Thesinisterdiagram · 18/01/2023 19:12

OP if you’re going to criticise others for a supposed lack of individuality and confidence why not set an example for everyone and share your style, show us what individuality and confidence looks like. Just some examples of the kind of things you would wear?

Which individuals have I criticised?

If people take an idea to heart, that's none of my doing.

I'm old and fashion really does feel repetitive and regurgitated. Like its the decline and fall of our civilisation.

I watched a news clip from 20 years ago the other day.

What was notable was how little has changed, compared to 20 years previous to that clip.

We're stultified.

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Cracklingfire1 · 18/01/2023 19:24

@QuertyGirl we all follow fashion to some extent. There's teen fashion, middle class fashion, quirky fashion, mum fashion, dad fashion, preppy fashion, glamour model fashion. Your clothes say s lot about you and give a signal about th people you want to attract and what 'tribe's you want yo belong to.

What do you wear, OP? What is your style? Do you just wear clothes you've had forever?

Thesinisterdiagram · 18/01/2023 19:32

QuertyGirl · 18/01/2023 19:19

Which individuals have I criticised?

If people take an idea to heart, that's none of my doing.

I'm old and fashion really does feel repetitive and regurgitated. Like its the decline and fall of our civilisation.

I watched a news clip from 20 years ago the other day.

What was notable was how little has changed, compared to 20 years previous to that clip.

We're stultified.

Well, you pretty much started a whole thread criticising people who don’t dress as you think they ought to. I don’t think anyone has ‘taken an idea to heart’?

If everyone is stultified then show us how it should be done?

Cracklingfire1 · 18/01/2023 19:35

@QuertyGirl clothes say s lot about you and give a signal about th people you want to attract and what 'tribe's you want yo belong to. There are so many types of fashion ; teen, preppy, middle class, emo, glamour model, pensioner, most of us identify with one style or another. I can go from slightly preppy, to French chic to can't care less, jogging trousers and crocs in the space of a weekend

What do you wear, OP? What is your style?
Do you just wear clothes you've had forever?

ArianahX · 18/01/2023 19:38

I like to see and follow current fashions in clothes & makeup even as an adult, I don't know why, I just always have done.
Obviously there are a variety of types of fashion and not everything suits me, so I pick and choose.

hennylovespens · 18/01/2023 19:49

Ember90 · 18/01/2023 13:19

It’s harmless but I agree, immature and vacuous

I don't mind the vacuous side actually and lovee the creative/ scientific. but I don't think it's without harm in its current form. Fast fashion is an environmental catastrophe, the sweat shops, body image etc.

Salacia · 18/01/2023 20:17

But fashion is cyclical. The fashions of the 30s had a resurgence in the 1970s. The classical inspired empire-line styles of the regency popped up again at the turn of the 20th century (and during the 60s). Early 2000s fashion/Y2K is coming around again. Arguably these trend cycles are speeding up - driven by social media, fast fashion and I think probably a nostalgia factor in an increasingly changing world. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the 90s/00s look has had a resurgence after a year of lockdown and the anniversary/reboot of shows like Friends, Sex and the City etc.

Current Y2K is subtly different to its predecessor though (there’s some great examples on here) - even if you just looked at the clothes and took out the contextual clues e.g. make of phones, style of photography, shops in the background etc you can tell which picture is 2000s and which is 2020s. Just compare the clothes the contestants on the first series of the apprentice wore 2005 vs today. Or the MET gala in the early 2000s vs 2022. Even in settings where there’s limited ‘fashion’ display you can see changes - look at what the royal women wore to Princess Margaret’s funeral vs the Queens. There’s definitely been a massive change in fashionable/celebrity mens style. It was only 20 years or so ago that David Beckham got a load of attention for wearing a sarong, now look at what Harry Styles etc wear in editorials or on the red carpet.

I’m not arguing that the speed up of the trend cycle is a good thing, fast fashion is a huge threat to the environment and human rights. But I don’t think you can say that fashion has stultified since the early 2000s. The influence of social media for one (instagram wasn’t founded until 2010) has played a revolutionary role in how fashion is consumed. Again, not saying that social media doesn’t have significant drawbacks and harms but it’s definitely contributed to a huge proliferation of fashion looks and exposure to alternative styles and/or non-conventional ‘fashion’ icons. Even the increasing trend for buying second hand has been fuelled by eBay, Vinted etc.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/01/2023 20:26

*I watched a news clip from 20 years ago the other day.

What was notable was how little has changed, compared to 20 years previous to that clip.

We're stultified*

This is incorrect and lacks substance. People are now modifying their bodies instead of their garments. This is how it’s moved forward. So Botox, fillers, sleeves, plastic surgery, butt fillers. This is how it’s changed.

Calphurnia88 · 18/01/2023 20:27

@Salacia you might be my favourite Mumsnetter.