Parents refuse use of vaccinated blood in life-saving surgery on baby - New Zealand

[NadjaCravensworth]

The parents of the baby discussed their son’s health situation and their medical preferences in an interview with an anti-vaccination campaigner.
In the interview the parents say their baby has severe pulmonary valve stenosis, and that he needs surgery “almost immediately”, but that they are “extremely concerned with the blood [the doctors] are going to use”.
“We don’t want blood that is tainted by vaccination,” the father said. “That’s the end of the deal – we are fine with anything else these doctors want to do.”

So you would rather your baby died than had blood from someone who is vaccinated.

At what point does this not become child abuse / murder - this child could die due to the beliefs of the parents?

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby

There are laws in most states in america to prevent this but embarrassingly I don’t know the U.K.’s stance on it.

i would assume the capacity and care acts would come into it

In my head it is abuse, though

I don't know the ins and out of law I'm afraid but it's apparent with JW in the uk. Personally I can't comprehend why you wouldn't let medical intervention save your child"s life.

There is a legal procedure to deal with parental nuttiness that is endangering a child’s health - the court gives guardianship to the health board so the child’s drs can make these kinds of life or death decisions. But it has to go before a judge first.

Specifically the parents don't want Covid vaxxed blood. Which I think given the lack of long term evidence of its safety, and the already known issues with clots/myocarditis, is probably fairly reasonable.

Presumably the parents aren't vaxxed so could provide their own blood or is the hospital stopping them from doing that?

Well as it's in New Zealand the laws in USA and UK are irrelevant.

Apparently it's going to court, which is what would happen in the UK.

I imagine any court would make the child a ward of court and would rule that the parents do not have the right to withhold treatment under these circumstances.

Are they JW?

I think it's incredibly sad that they have been targeted by such misinformation that has led them to be so afraid of the covid vax in particular that they would seek to avoid it in the context of lifesaving surgery for their baby.

I do think it's misinformation because while the long term aspects of that particular vaccination obviously isn't known, it's very very clearly lower risk than not having the surgery. But they aren't seeing it that way. That risk has been presented completely out of proportion to them.

Agree with this, there is mounting evidence around clots especially.

It will go to court. If the baby dies during the court case it will turn probably turn into a murder / child abuse inquiry.

Surely it would take less time to source blood from a suitable unvaccinated person than take this through the courts?

Is this performance to create a precedent?

AFAIK vaccine status isn't recorded for donated blood so they are perhaps refusing any blood just in case.

I don't know why they aren't using the parents' blood - presumably one of them would have a compatible blood type.

Surely there would be unvaccinated people willing to donate to people who do not want vaccinated blood due to their beliefs?

There is not mounting evidence at all.
You've fallen for a misinformation campaign online.
The covid vaccine does not increase your risk of blood clots.

The courts can and do step in where things like this happen in the UK. Cases can be expedited and ruled upon within hours if needed.

Generally judges side with the clinical view not the parents where the child's life is at risk.

Why not just source unvaccinated blood for them?

@BertieBotts not necessarily - children's blood group can be different to their mother or father

Whenever I've given blood I haven't been asked for a list of vaccinations. I assume other countries don't either.

Court doesn't have to take long. It could be sorted the same day.

My gods people like this really boil me piss.

Their child will die if they don't. Fucks sake.

Loads of research on this thread showing there is no link to increase in blood clots.
twitter.com/DrKatEpi/status/1596686216094961665?t=YeeJH82y8FHsvBtf-LBJZg&s=19

In a case like this the courts would make an order pretty promptly I would imagine.
No doctors would allow a child to die because of parents beliefs

Guarantee they call themselves 'purebloods.'

Uptake of vaccination in NZ is high - 90% of over 12s according to the Ministry of Health. Those who aren't vaccinated are less likely to engage with the government and health authorities so not that straightforward to find a donor especially when some of the 10% are going to have medical issues for their lack of vaccination which may have much more severe implications.

Hospital legal departments have protocols for this sort of situation. The child gets made a ward of court, it can happen within hours if necessary. Then the treatment can be given, it’s about “best interests”.

Well no, of course not. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't an unvaccinated person with the correct blood type willing to step forward.

But clearly, that's a pita because who knows how many others might request the same - much easier to tell them no and have this decision sanctioned by the courts.

I doubt you'd get this through the courts in a day given the novelty of the situation.