Parents refuse use of vaccinated blood in life-saving surgery on baby - New Zealand

[NadjaCravensworth]

The parents of the baby discussed their son’s health situation and their medical preferences in an interview with an anti-vaccination campaigner.
In the interview the parents say their baby has severe pulmonary valve stenosis, and that he needs surgery “almost immediately”, but that they are “extremely concerned with the blood [the doctors] are going to use”.
“We don’t want blood that is tainted by vaccination,” the father said. “That’s the end of the deal – we are fine with anything else these doctors want to do.”

So you would rather your baby died than had blood from someone who is vaccinated.

At what point does this not become child abuse / murder - this child could die due to the beliefs of the parents?

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby

The unvaccinated are just going to have to learn to live in a World with a majority of people who have been vaccinated and all that it entails. Reciving blood form a vaccinated person is just one of those things. After all we have to live with the unvaccinated and get on with it too.

Receiving (Sorry, typing too fast)

If (and ok maybe it is a big if) in the future we realise that vaccinated people are having problems what are we going to do then?

Vaccines, invented 1796.

First successful human blood transfusion, 1818.

I think if there were problems we would know about it by now given that we have over 200 years of data and countless scientific studies in that time.

If that is the case, and I hope it isn't, then they need to be clear that this baby has become a pawn in a legal game.

You think getting vaccinated increases our risk of dying? Just want to be clear.

@toffeecrisps How patronising are you? I actually have two kids. Both in their 20s and both who decided to get vaccinated. Their choice and nothing i could do. It doesnt stop me worrying about what may happen in the future. My personnal choice is not to receive vaccinated blood and i think that is perfectly fine. Maybe if i was at death's door i would reconsider but as i am not, that is where i stand today.

I think that if someone (mentally competent) wants to make that decision for themselves, then fine, but for a child when the outcome is possible death, well that's not on

You've missed my point, read it again.

My personnal choice is not to receive vaccinated blood and i think that is perfectly fine

It's not a choice that exists because it's not a 'thing', you don't get the option to specify. You get the option to refuse a transfusion if you're awake and deemed to have capacity but you don't get to insist on blood from a specific demographic beyond blood group.

What exactly do you think could happen in the future? Have either of your children received other vaccines throughout their lifetime? If so, why did you not worry about these?

Hey guys, I’ve come across indisputable evidence that something the government provides for everyone is actually really harmful and I fully believe will cause significant problems if not fatalities for lots of people. I’m really concerned.

I can’t show you that evidence though. You need to do your own research.

/.s

It's sets a precedent though doesn't it? It's tantamount to saying that anti-vaxxers might have a point. Plus what next - allowing someone to refuse blood from a black donor?

@Annabel073 I presume its because the other vaccines were tested for years on diseases that had been around for yonks.

I mean, that's why I didn't get vaccinated against covid. And it's also why my kids didn't either (but they have had every other vaccine, except the flu one)

I disagree that I haven't got the point. One side has science and facts on it's side. The other doesn't and just deals in lies and contortions, as evidenced by a handful of posts on this thread.

At some point we need to improve science education in schools as it's so obvious that many of the unvaxxed dont have even a basic grasp of science.

My personnal choice is not to receive vaccinated blood and i think that is perfectly fine. Maybe if i was at death's door i would reconsider but as i am not, that is where i stand today.

If you decide not to get a blood transfusion in case it contains "vaccinated blood" then whatever, enjoy your Darwin award. But if you refused to let your your children have one when they were still under your care, that would be a different story.

I'm talking about rhetoric...

why dont the parents of the baby donate their own blood. Failing that why are there not other babies whose blood could be used? the vast majority of babies should have blood not tainted by a covid vaccination

@Dacadactyl Thank you. The fact that COVID vaccines don't use new technology should allay those fears though.

I'm not here to defend someone else's rhetoric, so I will leave it there.

Covid vax testing has been as rigorous as any other vax. Or do you think we still do continuous phase 3 trials with say polio or rubella vaccines?

We don't take blood from babies do we? I sincerely hope not.

Ok, I don't understand why you messaged me either 😂

Well, if I had a baby (I don't), I absolutely would not be donating that baby's blood to support these people's delusions.

Yes and we also need to improve public messaging. The game play in the competing vaccine rollouts and various countries publicly sucking air between their teeth about various brands of vaccines - it doesn't engender trust, does it?