Parents refuse use of vaccinated blood in life-saving surgery on baby - New Zealand

[NadjaCravensworth]

The parents of the baby discussed their son’s health situation and their medical preferences in an interview with an anti-vaccination campaigner.
In the interview the parents say their baby has severe pulmonary valve stenosis, and that he needs surgery “almost immediately”, but that they are “extremely concerned with the blood [the doctors] are going to use”.
“We don’t want blood that is tainted by vaccination,” the father said. “That’s the end of the deal – we are fine with anything else these doctors want to do.”

So you would rather your baby died than had blood from someone who is vaccinated.

At what point does this not become child abuse / murder - this child could die due to the beliefs of the parents?

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby

Sigh.

It is pure theatre and could easily be solved by either the parents giving blood or sourcing some unvaccinated blood. There would be lots of people who are not vaccinated who would be willing to give their blood to this baby, me included. I really dont see the problem unless they are trying to make some kind of example of the parents for nefarious reasons.

There's a whole lot of stupid walking around ot seems

I suspect it would be treated in the same way as a JW family. We had this with a JW patient who would need blood for major spinal surgery. The hospital got a court order. They agreed with mum that they would do everything possible to avoid the need for blood. But they would not let him die for want of blood. Mum was fine with this. They manger with out. But it really didn't help his recovery.

Oh no! Might the staff laugh at me?!

And what? 😂

The wise thing for a medical professional to do would be to educate, surely.

I doubt it, it would take weeks. As loads of safety checks.

I agree, I'm playing devil's advocate but if the fears around the vaccine turn out to be true, many would feel very remorseful.

What other requirements are patients going to start requesting for their "special case"? How expensive will it be to have a list of properties against every donation of blood? How much delay and bureaucracy are we going to introduce to pander to this idiocy?

I hope the courts step in and deal with this and the child gets the life saving treatment they need. Science denial has gone too far already.

It's because it opens the floodgates for every kook, quack, and crank to suddenly decide that they too want "pure" blood. Blood donation then becomes more difficult, collection/transport/storage then becomes more difficult as you have additional containment processes to contend with, and it all turns into a mess purely because a bunch of dickheads have an ideological opposition to vaccines despite overwhelming scientific evidence confirming their safety.

If you are in a situation where you require blood, you get what you're given. You don't get to choose whether it's male, female, gay, straight, black, white, old, young, fat, thin, or anything else and that includes vaccinated. The only thing you get to "choose" is that it's compatible with your own blood type.

Hopefully the courts rule in favour of the child being made a ward of court so he can get his surgery.

It's a situation which is weeks into the making:

"Te Whatu Ora’s lawyer Paul White told the court that medical professionals have said a child with such a condition would have been treated several weeks ago in normal circumstances"

I read that they have sourced 20 unvaccinated people who have volunteered their blood. The hospital won't allow this

If that's true then I feel sorry for the parents.

You don't think medical professionals have enough to do? Were will it end? Ye gods, this is madness.

There are certain levels of stupid from which you can't educate.....

Probably because they don't want to create a precedent. If they do it for this family (for no good reason) then everyone could demand a special kind of blood and I think we can see where that could go.

It’s harsh, but they do seem determined to remove themselves from the bloodline, which may be for the best.

Jesus Christ

Exactly. Hospital are entirely right not to pander to this nonsense.

You know anti-vaxxers use the same rhetoric for the vaxxed. Two sides of the same coin.

This is not what is happening, it is clear from the article linked that it has already taken longer than a day.

I'd assume that NZ had a similar system of expedited hearings. The fact that it's taken a couple of days so far suggests that surgery can wait a couple of days.

Ah OK. I don't care if you (or anyone else) thinks I'm stupid to be honest. I was happy to take my chances with covid, but you made a different choice. That's the beauty of living in a free country.

I'm happy to leave it at that. I'm glad you've sufferred no ill effects from the vaccine. I hope that this remains the case. Best wishes.

@knittingaddict I sort of get what you are saying but how many checks would be needed to take the mother's blood? How contaminated could that be when the baby has been receiving everything it has needed from it's mother for 9 months in the womb? If (and ok maybe it is a big if) in the future we realise that vaccinated people are having problems what are we going to do then? I myself would definitely only want unvaccinated blood during a transfusion. I dont think it is a lot to ask.

Please don't have kids.

Surely it would take less time to source blood from a suitable unvaccinated person than take this through the courts?

I was thinking the exact same thing

Even IF covid vaccinations caused increased risk of blood clots/whatever, surely that risk is much better than definitely dying without this life saving surgery?