Parents refuse use of vaccinated blood in life-saving surgery on baby - New Zealand

[NadjaCravensworth]

The parents of the baby discussed their son’s health situation and their medical preferences in an interview with an anti-vaccination campaigner.
In the interview the parents say their baby has severe pulmonary valve stenosis, and that he needs surgery “almost immediately”, but that they are “extremely concerned with the blood [the doctors] are going to use”.
“We don’t want blood that is tainted by vaccination,” the father said. “That’s the end of the deal – we are fine with anything else these doctors want to do.”

So you would rather your baby died than had blood from someone who is vaccinated.

At what point does this not become child abuse / murder - this child could die due to the beliefs of the parents?

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby

The parents are insane. The baby will die without surgery. Do they really think the baby is better off dead than having blood which may (and I don’t think there’s any evidence) in their mind increase the risk of a clot?

even if their thinking is right about the increase in risk it’s still better than dead.

im glad the baby is now having surgery and has been made a ward of the state. I hope they keep that guardianship in place. The parents have demonstrated they can’t safeguard that child.

I didn't say your opinion is invalid.. but I am shocked that you would rather die (theoretically) than receive blood from someone who has had a covid vaccine.

Would you receive blood from those on the contraceptive pill.. a pill which has a huge risk of blood clots? What about someone who has had covid? (I'd like to add that I am actually interested in your answer and not just goading.)

There are a few reasons for this:

Firstly, the thing that slows vaccine development down most is funding and actual people time. These barriers were completely removed, and the different pharma companies worked together. So a normal vaccine might take years as only, for example, 3 people are working on it. But in this case, there were hundreds of people, so it sped everything up.

The vaccine was also almost entirely developed. It was widely recognised that the next pandemic that came along would be a coronavirus. The technology behind the new vaccines, the mRNA ones, had also been developed and in use for many years. So all the building blocks were already there, but that massive funding and removal of a lot of the red tape made it a lot easier for them to get it over the finish line.

I hope that makes sense.

@JusteanBiscuits To be honest i havent really thought about receiving blood from people on the contraceptive pill or who has had covid and it is a valid point. Obviously in an ideal world i would be like Tony Hancock (Blood Donor episode) and give my blood and then receive it back a week or so later but completely understand that this isnt possible. However, on a serious note, if i had a schelduled surgery where i knew i would need to receive blood then i would definitely want to collect my own blood for a few weeks before in order to use that. Pretty sure if you had enough money to throw at it you could make it happen.

And if you needed plasma, which is partly the case with the baby in the article?

How many times do you think you can tell people on the internet that they would be better off dead before you hit someone vulnerable enough to take your advice TeamRR?

@TeamRR Thankyou for your input. Have a lovely Christmas.

What advice?

The parents wanted the court to direct the NZ Blood Bank to establish another supply: that of non-Covid vaccinated blood. This has been denied - in the words of counsel, it could be a "slippery slope". It was also noted that mRNA vaccination leaves little to no traces in the bloodstream, and what might be there is in the picogramrange (one trillionth of a gram).

As someone upthread said when they posted the update link, sanity has prevailed.
I'm pleased and proud that the judge agreed with Health NZ that to allow the parents' unvaxxed supporters to donate blood would set a really dangerous precedent. We don't operate a BYO Blood system and, hopefully, never will.
Two doctors at Starship Children's Hospital have been given care status until the end of January. I think the wee boy is likely to have his operation within days.
And, stop press, the parents have admitted that the child had received a blood transfusion from the general supply in an earlier procedure. They have decided not to appeal the court decision. Meanwhile they have been exploiting their baby to bring fresh attention to their loony views.

Because facts and science matters. Not all opinions are equal and some are just plain wrong.

@knittingaddict quite. Antivaxxers have 'opinions' based on their feelings. Not in any way equally valid to opinions based on evidence.

To be honest i havent really thought about receiving blood from people on the contraceptive pill

Smh

They also have opinions based on scare mongering, attention seeking, unqualified, high drama, ignorant, unbalanced, extreme people online.

Recently I've been told pziser are evil and corrupt and liars because they lied about testing the vaccine for transmission reduction (that being the only reason she had the vaccine) and that the lies have been proven by a pziser employee admitting as much in the EU parliament.

Ive had to waste half an hour of my time to find out that Pziser never once, ever claimed that it had been tested for transmission (in fact they stated the opposite) and that woman was oh confirming/reiterating that.

The MEP putting her on the spot about it and subsequently ranting about it seems like a right dickhead (Rob Rooms).

Apparently this was a massive reveal .... It wasn't.

Governments apparently made decisions on encouraging people to get the vaccine to reduce transmission (as well as all the other reasons) mostly on the basis of studies done by eg Oxford Uni on transmission reduction after the vaccine was released (which showed it did reduce transmission as well).

Later studies on later variants like delta and omicron were nowhere near as positive; if the governments didn't change their policies and update people with that info, that their responsibility.

Afaics Pziser did fk all wrong. Yet they're lying evil bastards.

And now I be wasted another 5 mins typing this.

I haven't even gone back to her about this because I already know she won't believe it and will throw more shit about it and it's completely pointless.

*Rob Roos

Any news agency or source that you quote (in this case Reuters, fact check Al Jazeera) .... If they stare that Pziser never made a claim of testing for transmission reduction, and stated so ....
Are on the pockets of pziser, government, and are corrupt and lying.

So evidence to the contrary of their "evidence" is all false too. There is no dealing with these people.

@Ambertonix

If you had an underage child who needed a blood transfusion, would you allow them to have one?

Just watched the video on Twitter, it’s hard not to feel for the mother as she sounds so distressed but she also sounds very paranoid. The dad seems happy to narrate for the camera, it’s very performative. I hope the kid pulls through, honestly not sure if their parents would reject them for having “impure” blood. It’s all so culty.

Taking blood from babies 🤯

Plus babies likely have the most vaccinated blood going - UK babies have 8 vaccines at 8 weeks old. I know it’s not a covid vaccine, but they won’t have “pure blood” they’ll have helpful antibodies.

Donated blood products (which are not only blood, but also plasma, platelets, etc) go through an extremely rigorous process of screening, filtering, purifying and supplying in most countries, definitely in New Zealand too. it's an emergency product which is deemed very safe due to all these processes it goes through.

An emergency product is given when/if/as needed, and it is simply not an option to want to choose a specific donor based on personal beliefs.

In very specific cases, like very rare blood groups or diseases, a specific blood product could be sourced. The case of baby W in New Zealand is not one of these cases as the parents' request for "unvaccinated blood for covid19" is utterly baseless. As in, the current blood, which most likely will contain blood products from vaccinated donors, does not provide any more safety to that baby than unvaccinated blood. So the request has no merit.

It's really very simple.

PS I am a health professional trained and practising in New Zealand

*any more or less safety, that should have read

Fucking nutters.