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To think someone must be able to do something - part two

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PurpleLampShades · 14/11/2022 19:22

I’m starting a new thread as advised by some posters and because the first thread was a great source of support for me (link to first thread here).

Long story short - DS (16) is in a “relationship” with a woman 11 years older than him that I believe started before he turned 16 at the end of July, though they both denied that to police and SS. I tried everything I could think of to stop it but he walked out of the house to stay with her at the end of September and I’m struggling to maintain contact with him. I’ve barely been able to see or speak to him since he left. She has shown very controlling behaviour and he is slowly becoming isolated from me, his friends and hobbies etc. Social services are currently involved, doing an assessment, but have already said it’s very difficult to do much without him consenting to input/intervention so I think they’re trying to prepare me for a poor outcome of the assessment. I am trying to focus on keeping my relationship with him going and ensuring he knows I’m here whenever he needs me and can come home whenever he needs no questions asked.

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Badger1970 · 21/02/2023 20:03

Good luck. Given that her control seems to be ramping up, hopefully this will be noted and things taken a bit more seriously this time.

Have you made a list of the points you want to raise? Keep each point short and focused, but make it clear that you want it answered.

Dwrcegin · 21/02/2023 20:17

Will be thinking of you tomorrow OP.

Good luck.

Judijudi · 21/02/2023 20:18

I don’t have any advice but just want to say I’m thinking of you and praying for a good outcome for you and your son. This situation is so heartbreaking. I can’t begin to imagine how awful this is for you x

OliveWah · 21/02/2023 20:41

Another one thinking of you for tomorrow @PurpleLampShades, there are many of us rooting for you. I believe that your DS will come to his senses eventually, and he'll realise that you have been on his side the whole time and have never stopped being there for him.

boomoohoo · 21/02/2023 20:48

Good luck purple, stay strong. You can take a friend with you if you need support you know, these things are so stressful, it's really understandable to need someone to help you communicate the things you need to. And remember you are entitled to challenge anything you dont agree with, to get answers, to expect a plan of action to address the risks, a step by step action plan.

kateandme · 21/02/2023 21:11

Thinking of you xx

TotallyScouting · 21/02/2023 21:27

You’ll be in my thoughts tomorrow. I do hope it is positive 💐

L1ttledrummergirl · 21/02/2023 22:59

I'll be thinking of you. I hope you can make them start to take it seriously.

PurpleLampShades · 21/02/2023 23:36

Yes, I have some bits and pieces written down that I want to make sure are discussed. I really want a plan of action that is somewhat enforced and measurable. Last time it was all just a bit wish washy with the excuse of ‘well DS has to agree to it’. I get he has to agree and be involved in decision making and planning, and of course that’s important, but I also think they need to be a bit more…forceful…(not the right word, but I can’t think of the right one) in getting him to engage with a plan that helps to extract him from the situation and open his eyes to her behaviour a bit. Of course he’s not going to be onboard with something she’s not going to like because she will make his life a misery won’t she?
The other thing that must happen, and I suppose this is for selfish reasons, is contact between he and I to improve. I miss him terribly and just want to see and speak to him and I want them to help us more with that.

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longleggitybeastie · 22/02/2023 07:58

That's not selfish at all Purple, it's what your son needs too. Resources are sadly lacking and it's so frustrating because he probably just needs someone with workload capacity to be a bit more persistent with him. College seems the ideal place for this because they are in regular contact so I hope that will be a focus of any action plan.

Will be thinking of you today, let us know how you get on. Stay strong x

Jaxinthebox · 22/02/2023 08:40

Thinking of you today and hoping that something for you and DS that works better and will extract him from this awful situation is put in place.

Pheefifofuckthisshit · 22/02/2023 09:04

I'll be thinking of you today. Hope you get some steps out in place that feel productive.

boomoohoo · 22/02/2023 09:39

Something you could ask - has a child protection plan been considered and what is the rationale behind it not being pursued? Considering the cin plan has not improved things and the risk remains high to him. (A cp plan will have the forcefulness to it - doesn't sound bad at all purple)

boomoohoo · 22/02/2023 09:42

Also - is she (the gf) being asked to do any work, courses, has she undergone a risk assessment, and if not why not.

Sorry if this feels like bombardment at last minute, ignore if feels overwhelming. I live in frustration at the system I work within! We're rooting for you x

kateandme · 22/02/2023 11:29

How can it be selfish op.dint let her distort your mind now too!
@PurpleLampShades she doesn't win this!
It shouldn't have been allowed for at least his visits to stop.
Can you record the session. So you can go back.make notes.take it all in.
Write it all down.
Be forceful.
Be a fucking pain in their ass.
This.is.not.on.
Your still supported here @PurpleLampShades .I no that might seem so little right now.
Have you real life support.im really thinking you need someone in real life to fold onto.
Tell themvtoday you want an actionable plan.and you want dates for when so you can come back at them if not.
You want these concerns to be taken seriously.
And who do you complain,go to next if you don't see an impact or improvement of care towards a vulnerable person in their care.

HumourReplacementTherapy · 22/02/2023 13:10

I am so sorry to hear he is still under her bloody control.
I do think if he was a girl it would be different and more would be done/more flags raised.
I just cannot fathom wtf she is thinking.
Best of luck for today.

PurpleLampShades · 22/02/2023 14:23

They are putting him on a CIN plan but may escalate to CPP if there’s no improvement in the situation. SW said she had a long talk with DS yesterday and made it clear to him what needs to happen, and that there are valid concerns that the relationship has an unhealthy dynamic. She said DS was quite emotional and upset but wouldn’t open up to her about what was troubling him. It was discussed that he might be depressed / suffering with his mental health and that may be contributing to him withdrawing and isolating himself. I did point out that if he is depressed it’ll be because she’s making his life a misery and forcing the isolation by controlling, coercing and abusing him into it. For some reason they don’t seem to want to label her behaviour as abusive. They kept calling it an ‘unhealthy dynamic’ which to me insinuates that they feel DS is partly to blame. Maybe I’m just reading something into it, but that’s how it felt.

The college have concerns that DS is on the verge of dropping out completely and reported that he’s expressed fears he’s not clever enough to do his subjects. This is nonsense because he can do those subjects with his eyes closed. It’s just another thing she’s doing isn’t it? Chipping away at his confidence and self-worth. They have also said he does not engage with his peers like he used to, does not spend free periods/breaks with his peers and actively avoids the DSL, who has resorted to pulling him out of lessons for brief welfare checks. His attendance has dropped and if it goes any lower he will end up on a level 1 warning. The SW asked him about college and he reported it’s harder than he thought it would be, he’s not as clever as people have told him (meaning me I suspect) and he’s not enjoying it because it takes up too much of his time. College are going to give him some extra tutorials and a support plan to help academically.

We are going to have supported contact at a contact centre once a week because DS told the SW he doesn’t want to come to the house. I have no idea why that is but I’ll do whatever I have to in order to see and spend time with him. He agreed to using a contact centre so that’s what it’ll have to be. I think this is partly so he can tell gf he’s being forced into seeing me and using the contact centre makes that look more formal/realistic.

The college are arranging for DS to see the college counsellor weekly as part of his timetable. This counsellor apparently has experience and expertise with adolescents who have experienced trauma so hopefully they can get through to DS. I was surprised at this tbh because DS is not a talker but the SW said he’s reluctantly agreed to try it, though I suspect that’s because he doesn’t want things escalated.

He’s also being referred to another workshop/programme about relationships that the SW has told him she will be picking him up and taking him to. DS has been told these things must happen to prevent escalation to a CP plan, which could mean being made to leave her house and be placed in foster care or supported living if he doesn’t want to come home. Though they said that to him, they then said in the meeting it’s unlikely that would happen. I said what was the point of telling him that then?

SW also said that DS was insisting gf is not the reason for him being so isolated but couldn’t or wouldn’t give another explanation. He was defending her, saying how she is the only good thing in his life and how much he needs and wants to be with her. Had a reason or justification for everything. Put everything onto himself. He chose to do this and that. Gf just supports his decisions. So, again, it’s the belief that it’s actually DS making these decisions freely. I questioned this and they did admit that gf is clearly influencing him (wouldn’t call it controlling or coercing). She is going to be told she must facilitate and encourage contact with friends and family and his continued attendance and engagement at college to support him reintegrating into his normal life.

I asked if a risk assessment has been completed on her specifically and the answer is no. I asked what it will take for that to be done and was told that although there are concerns about the relationship dynamics there is no proof of abuse and for things to be escalated DS would need to voice that he is being abused or report situations that are clearly abusive. The issue is, he cannot recognise that her behaviour is abusive so of course he’s not going to report it to anyone. Its all very catch 22 and doesn’t make sense to me. I suppose it’s good they seem to be being a bit more forceful with it but I still get the feeling they don’t see it as much of an issue as I do. Maybe I’m being ungrateful. I don’t know.

I feel like DS has agreed to everything more as lip service and to stop escalation, but what I hope is that between us we can chip away at the walls she’s building around him and model what’s healthy and get him talking and understanding/recognising her behaviour for what it is.

Sorry this is really long. It does help to get it all out though. I’m meeting the football mum friend tomorrow for coffee also so I will chat to her too.

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RobinStrike · 22/02/2023 14:47

I'm so sorry this is continuing. It does sound like they finally believe that your concerns are well founded, and I hope their cautious words are just professional language and the avoidance of escalation. They must see her coercion in all of this. It's good that he has to attend courses, and meet you, and have counselling. I can't imagine how much strength it must take to get through each day. Sending hugs. I hope the football mum tomorrow can give some irl support.

beAsensible1 · 22/02/2023 14:49

Hopefully some of this steps will cut through, you are doing everything you can for your DS and well done on persevering I'm this has helped to galvanise SW and DSL. SW put him on CIN is good, he is now in the system and LA aware of circumstances so he can't just pull out of college without anyone noticing.

So sad about his loss of confidence in himself, hopefully will rebuild in time especially when at CC away from her!

Sending strength and support to you in this shitty time.

talknomore · 22/02/2023 14:50

Can someone go on the GF's LinkedIn and snoop who is she employed by. If she is non stop talking to him on the phone surely her employer may want to know. I know I will get told off for that but as his GF is playing dirty so would I.

longleggitybeastie · 22/02/2023 15:13

Don't apologise at all Purple! It's really important for you to have somewhere to offload and reflect and I'm really glad you're finding support here. Only quickly scanned your post, but it does sound like there are some positives there worth holding onto. Thank goodness they've found a way to connect him with a counsellor - this is brilliant news and I really hope they can make progress with him. I'm sure @boomoohoowill have a good perspective on the outcomes and action plan.

I totally get your concerns so well done for getting through it.

L1ttledrummergirl · 22/02/2023 15:16

It's good to know that steps are being put in to help, hopefully this will be the start of bringing him back for you.

Justalittlebitfurther · 22/02/2023 17:08

I think you asked sensible and probing questions and that this will hold weight over time as you will have been questioning her influence from the beginning. I realise it must be agony for you as it’s obvious it’s not going to be a quick fix. Thinking of you Purple

boomoohoo · 22/02/2023 17:10

Well done purple, sounds like a full on and tough meeting and you did brilliantly to get through it.

I cant make sense of why they aren't calling it abuse and coercion.. do the other professionals speak of it this way? I can only think that perhaps they need to be reminded that we don't work with the same thresholds of evidence as police - who wouldn't likely have enough to prosecute her, social workers work with risk - of which there is plenty of evidence. In sorry to hear they sound a bit useless on that front, it's not you, it's them!

But, I'm glad things are being put in place. I hope the review is within 4-6 weeks maximum. You have every right to challenge an assessment of her not being done - how dare she get to sit back on her laurels, she should be under scrutiny not your ds. You could ask the sw for further clarification and if you're not satisfied raise it higher. Its not on. If they won't call it abuse, the correlation between the worries about ds starting, and his relationship with gf beginning is clear as day, so why they won't look into her more closely is.. beyond me. We allow adults to make poor decisions for themselves not children.

Badger1970 · 22/02/2023 18:33

This sounds really positive, even though he must still feel so distant to you.
Hopefully some seeds of doubt must now be entering his head.

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