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To think someone must be able to do something - part two

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PurpleLampShades · 14/11/2022 19:22

I’m starting a new thread as advised by some posters and because the first thread was a great source of support for me (link to first thread here).

Long story short - DS (16) is in a “relationship” with a woman 11 years older than him that I believe started before he turned 16 at the end of July, though they both denied that to police and SS. I tried everything I could think of to stop it but he walked out of the house to stay with her at the end of September and I’m struggling to maintain contact with him. I’ve barely been able to see or speak to him since he left. She has shown very controlling behaviour and he is slowly becoming isolated from me, his friends and hobbies etc. Social services are currently involved, doing an assessment, but have already said it’s very difficult to do much without him consenting to input/intervention so I think they’re trying to prepare me for a poor outcome of the assessment. I am trying to focus on keeping my relationship with him going and ensuring he knows I’m here whenever he needs me and can come home whenever he needs no questions asked.

OP posts:
teoma · 17/09/2023 19:10

My heart breaks for you, OP. I am all against physical violence generally, but I would find this woman and beat the shit out of her.

If you can afford it, I would also speak to a psychologist to help you out with professional advice.

middleeasternpromise · 17/09/2023 19:14

At this stage I don't think there is much you can do that could make the situation worse. She is actively blocking him having contact with you or anyone else who might interfere with the control she has created. I think you have to do whatever you feel is necessary to safeguard him even if he doesn't respond as you would hope or feels conflicted, these are the interventions that might make the difference now or later. What you are hoping for is something connects and makes sense.

I don't know when he turns 18 but I suspect she will feel empowered when he does as she's aware she's walking a fine line whilst he's still a minor. I wonder would you consider seeing your MP - I know they don't have the power to do anything immediate but they can lobby for legal changes - coercive control is relatively new to the domestic violence - the breaking of the phone is a given example of coercive control, she could be arrested for that and for criminal damage.

Like others I admire your continued dedication to trying to help your son in the face of so much challenge. Keep going and I'm also sorry you are dealing with this, I hope you do add another thread as I keep you and your boy in mind often

keepcalm11 · 17/09/2023 20:07

Stay strong Purple Flowers

MrsGarethSouthgate · 17/09/2023 22:29

Does he have a college email address that you could message him on?

Pheefifofuckthisshit · 18/09/2023 14:08

Oh Purple it's just heartbreaking (serial name changer here).

I think going into college during the day without him knowing beforehand is probably a good idea. It gives you chance to see him and weigh up how you think he's looking and acting. It shows him you care. Etc. I'd go at about 10am or 2pm. You've said before she often meets him for lunch 🙄 so I'd not aim for around lunchtime, I'd go more randomly.

Its appalling about the phone. She's a nasty piece of work!! 😡

Does he know how to make a reverse phone call??

I'd print out for him how to do it, and explain he doesn't need to keep the print out, but if he can remember how to do it he can call you anytime from a payphone. Just to say hi and check in. Not for you to question him or pressure him home, just tell him even if he can just call and say hi now and then it would put your mind at ease as you love him and want to know he's okay.

I remember being taught how to do reverse charge calls many many moons ago when we didn't all walk around with mobiles! But it's a good bit of knowledge for people in controlling relationships too.

Thedogseyesareintense · 19/09/2023 15:50

I’m so glad you are going to see him.

I wouldn’t mention the phone or the info via friend as it’s great he is confusing in someone. This tells you he knows her behaviour is poor. He isn’t completely hiding it either. All major progress.

Just say you haven’t heard for a while and you miss him and feel sad you can’t be in contact. Ask him how that could happen? What would be needed for it to happen?

So glad he’s back at college. Sad they are noticing some changes and concerns but excellent they are passing it on to you and also recording it on his record. That is all helpful to build the picture.

Really hope you get to see him. I think of you so often. This will end and you will get him back.

LittleEsme · 19/09/2023 18:05

Another serial name hanger here @PurpleLampShades. I think of you often as well and wish that your son is ok.

OvertiredandConfused · 19/09/2023 18:08

I haven’t commented before, but I’ve been following your threads from the very beginning. There was an item on the news on radio four this morning about the growth in coercive behaviour in the under 25s and, specifically, the Children’s Commissioner urging the police to recognise that young people under 18 in relationships can be victims of domestic abuse, especially this type.

I don’t know whether referencing it would help with anybody and I don’t know whether they will be able to get any evidence, but I thought it would be worth you having that knowledge in your back pocket just in case it is ever helpful.

PurpleLampShades · 20/09/2023 16:33

I managed to see him today after arranging with the DSL to get him out of a lesson a few minutes before morning break. I waited in the DSL office while they went to get him. His hair is different, he’s thinner and he does look tired in that weary kind of way. But it was literally the highlight of my year being able to see him.

He was a bit taken aback at first and became quite anxious until I asked what the matter was and he eventually said he had to phone gf as he always phones her on break and she’ll be worried if he doesn’t. So I just said, that’s fine, phone her then, which I think surprised him. I think he was expecting me to get angry about it or something. Anyway, he called her and he must have the volume up because I could hear the gist of the conversation fairly clearly and it’s really just another way for her to keep tabs on him. She was firing questions at him the whole time. She told him he was late ringing and asked why, what had he been doing? Who did he talk to in class? Who did he sit with? Where was he right now? What time did lessons finish? He didn’t tell her he was with me. Clearly, that would be an issue for her. After, he just looked upset. No other word for it.

I couldn’t help myself and just asked him some very blunt questions. I asked if he was scared of her, whether he was actually happy with her and whether she has hurt him physically or emotionally. Obviously, he denied all that and told me she loves him and worries about him and does everything she can to make him happy. He said sometimes it’s intense but she is helping him to be better. When I asked him to elaborate on that he just said he was shit at everything and nobody else would ever bother with him. His self confidence is shattered but he can’t see it.

I told him how devastating this whole thing has been for me, how much I worry about him, how I can’t sleep for worrying about him, how much I miss seeing him, how upsetting it is seeing him look so unhappy. I suppose I basically just said everything I’ve been holding in for all these months. He just responded with he’s fine, everything is fine, she’s great, life is great, no need to worry. Like that will erase the concerns and worry. He said he wished I could get on with her and repeated the whole she’s scared of you, you make her nervous thing.

So now I think, well maybe I should start inviting them over. Put a note in their door. Even though I said after Christmas last year I never wanted her in my house again. Maybe it’s come to this? Try to kill her with kindness. I don’t know. I told him about reverse call charge phone calls and how to do them (thanks for suggesting that) and said he can call anytime. He said thanks, gave me a hug and that was how it was left. I don’t know what it means, whether progress has been made, or any difference or what. But at least I saw and spoke to him. I’ll hold onto that.

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Sandalwood3 · 20/09/2023 16:44

I am so pleased you saw him. That's wonderful.

I don't know what the right thing to do is, but if it was me, I would probably want to kill with kindness despite hating it all. I guess, 'keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.

It's so shocking that his confidence has been derailed so massively. It's just heartbreaking.

I am so sorry you are going through this and I genuinely think of you often.

Will you start a new thread? I really do want to keep up with what's happening with you and offer any support I can.

itsgettingweird · 20/09/2023 17:05

That's wonderful you saw him and also brilliant he was open and honest with you.

It sounds like co er I've control though.

Perhaps you're right. Perhaps having her over with him and you being an amazing mum and ignoring her behaviour will help model for him what he deserves with the way people treat him.

I'm annoyed in your behalf she's claiming to be a victim of your love for him.

Longcovidshitshow · 20/09/2023 17:23

So glad you saw him. One day he will know how you fought for him.

Thedogscollar · 20/09/2023 18:08

@PurpleLampShades your update made me really teary. It's fantastic that you saw him and could be so open and frank with him.

She sounds very controlling to be concerned about who he has spoken to and sat next to in class. That is not normal adult conversation to be so invested in details like that.

You know what Purple, I'd be inclined to offer them both an open door just so you can see your boy. That would piss her off massively and if she reacted badly your son might see her in a different light.

Keep going with contacting your son, she cannot take that rite away from you.
Today must have been wonderful but also sad for you. Have a great big virtual hug from me. Xx

tensmum1964 · 20/09/2023 18:08

I'm so pleased you got to see him and hug him. The good thing is which us hopefully its some progress, is that he didnt walk out.. As much as I would want her out of his life forever. I think I would go down the kill her with kindness route. If nothing else at least you would get to see him and hopefully get to keep an eye on him. Maybe her vile narcissistic brain will convince her that she's won you over, but in reality you are playing the long game and keeping a watchful eye. As far as today is concerned, he will have felt your love and know deep down that you only have his best interests at heart.

WhiteFire · 20/09/2023 18:26

I commented way back on your first post and I'm sorry that the situation is still what it is. That you managed to see him today and have a hug is a really positive step.

I hope you manage to see him again soon.

PandaChopChop · 20/09/2023 19:13

Really glad you were able to see him but I'm sorry that he is clearly being controlled by the GF.
Sending big hugs @PurpleLampShades xx

Itwasntme101 · 20/09/2023 19:17

Glad you got to see him. I would go the kill her with kindness route and put a note through the door like you say.
I wouldn't be surprised though if she throws it away and doesn't tell him about the invite as it doesn't fit her narrative that no one else cares about him.

Justalittlebitfurther · 20/09/2023 19:31

I’m so pleased for you @PurpleLampShades well done for being brave I really hope you can convince them to come over.

Trampslikeu · 20/09/2023 19:34

I am so pleased you got to see him even if only for a short while, I think it was good that you were both open and honest with each other.
He knows that you want contact with him and that gf will not allow this to happen, his wishing you could get on with her means he also wants you in his life, was this a cry for help?
I think that you should invite them for a meal, home or out somewhere, where ever you feel most comfortable, and see how gf reacts.
Been here from the start I do think of you both often, I hope he phones you soon and some good comes out of this, please take care of yourself and stay strong for your boy, love ❤& hugs hugs hugs for you.

L1ttledrummergirl · 20/09/2023 19:44

I'm glad you got to see him. Please record your observations of him and their conversation. If any of the school staff were in hearing, ask them to corroborate and keep notes. It will help in the future

You are doing amazingly well. I don't know if I could trust myself to be civil if I invited her around, but big picture stuff, you could invite them both a few times, then have him on his own. You might be able to ask some of his friends around then. It's so hard, bit he will break free, and knowing you are there will help. Flowers

Trampslikeu · 20/09/2023 19:51

I wonder what gf would do if you knocked on the door and asked to speak to them both, say you want to be friends and have them in you life, kill with kindness, then invite them for a meal, your son would see that you are making an effort and would expect gf to as well, put her on the spot and she how she reacts.

Catsafterme · 20/09/2023 20:01

I have been where you son is and not long got out. I wasn't that age but it's sounds familiar to what you have described.

Please be very cautious on how you proceed, killing with kindness or trying to bring yourself into it more may not work and instead may backfire on him and you.

Likewise, I would not turn up unannounced or make demands. This in my case made everything ten times worse and you would be cut off completely. Just messaging made it worse, outside interference was an invasion of privacy and responding was a betrayal in some way.

I know you want to make sure he is alright but tread carefully on how you proceed.

Pheefifofuckthisshit · 20/09/2023 20:12

I'm so glad you got to see him.

It will speak volumes to him to hear that you DO love him, and DO care about him. He sounds so ground down. 😔

I'd invite them to something together yes. Perhaps suggest you all meet for a drink and a cake in a local cafe or something. Nothing too expensive for you that she can take the piss with. But that way it's a short interaction on neutral ground and you'll all know it's a short window of time.

If you do this, and they come, I'd be tempted to turn on voice record on your phone during the meet up. Because I wouldn't be surprised if she slyly said something to you eg while he popped to the loo for example. It would also help you to note down anything said or observed afterwards.

I'm glad you told him about reverse charge calls. At least it's something he now knows about and can use in a jam.

Jaxinthebox · 20/09/2023 20:55

your update is so sad yet so fantastic. You got to see your son, albeit with 'her' present - on the phone, in the background.

Maybe arrange a coffee date with both of them, or a drink somewhere neutral, take a friend with you to ease the tension and also as a witness to the behaviour. Then dinner at yours if you want to. But I don't want you doing this at the expense of your mental health or having your home invaded by her. If it were me, I would always have a friend of the family or a good friend with me just as a witness if nothing else.

She is clearly very good at manipulation. Very dangerous to anyone who is vulnerable, never mind a child.

Howdoyoulikeyourtea · 20/09/2023 21:03

Did any staff member hear his phone call? That is coercive control which is illegal. If he calls her every break could a staff member happen to over hear a couple of times then report it? Obviously if you report it it will end badly but if it came from someone else? Though then she might make him leave college so I don’t know.

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