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DH wanking / lying

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ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 10:45

Don't know what to make of this.

DH and I have had a non-existent sex life for many years. I want to have sex with him, he says he wants to with me but never initiates and avoids it if I try to.

This has been an issue even before we married. We had sexual counselling prior to marriage but it didn't make any difference long term. When he proposed, I told him I didn't want a life without sex and that I would only marry him if he promised me he would always work on improving the issue. He promised he would but has done nothing since to try to improve things. He has no answer as to why he doesn't try anything on with me sexually.

This morning he went to the toilet and took his phone with him. I was in the bedroom. The Bluetooth speaker in the bedroom suddenly connected to his phone and for about 10 mins the speaker was on and off connecting to his phone, so I heard the porn he was watching and obviously wanking to.

He comes out after a while and asks me if I'm okay. I say no, it wasn't enjoyable to hear the porn you were wanking to. He gets very defensive and denies and I can see in his face he is lying.

I hate that he's lying to me and sticking to the lie even though he can tell I know exactly what he was doing. I'm upset that even though he swears blind he still fancies me, he shows no interest in any sexual contact with me but obviously is not asexual if he's wanking to porn. I was not busy so we could have had sex if he was feeling in the mood. I'm not bothered that he wanks, just that he clearly would rather do that than come anywhere near me, and that he's disrespecting me by lying about it.

What do I do? I don't want a sexless life and I fancy him, he just seems not to fancy me and has done nothing to improve the situation.

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TheMoonisaBalloon · 11/09/2022 11:57

I'm sorry OP, but from what you say this is about as good as it's going to get.

I married someone who had a low sex-drive and ED. I thought it would improve but it didn't. He didn't want to try and make it better.

(This is why I got suspicious when he suddenly got more interested in sex - and my suspicions were right, he was having an affair.)

Sadly, I don't think you are gaining anything staying with this man.

Smellyoldowls22 · 11/09/2022 11:58

You know he won't change, the only question is, will you?
I'm guessing this isn't the only area of your lives where he's the passive party.

I had this issue, I divorced him.

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 11:58

girlmom21 · 11/09/2022 11:06

Did you have sex when trying for children prior to the IVF?

No. We used the pot / syringe method for a very long time to no avail

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girlmom21 · 11/09/2022 12:02

In that case I can't imagine there's ever going to be a drastic change that gives you the relationship you want.
What's he like otherwise?

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:02

We've been together 9 years in total

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KennAdams · 11/09/2022 12:02

I'd leave.

This has been going on for years it's unlikely to change.

Lifes too short for this.

Furrbabymama887 · 11/09/2022 12:03

I dated a guy like this from 17 to 21. I loved him at the time and he treated me well in some ways but he had no sex drive at all. I think he also had some kind of sex phobia and negative thoughts about sex. He didn't like vaginas and when talking about oral sex he used to say "do you think our grandparents did this back in their day?!" and " the more we have sex the more you'll want it so let's keep it to special occasions".
I ended up sleeping with someone else and ending the relationship. I'd have lived a life of misery with him as I am highly sexed. He's now married and him and his wife dress and act like a couple in their 60s. Your mistake was to get married to this man, knowing what he's like.

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 11/09/2022 12:05

tiktokontheclock · 11/09/2022 10:57

Sorry I'm confused - "he had an ons with your new landlord"?

So her ex was actually gay.

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:06

girlmom21 · 11/09/2022 12:02

In that case I can't imagine there's ever going to be a drastic change that gives you the relationship you want.
What's he like otherwise?

Otherwise he is the perfect man basically. He works hard, does his share of the drudge work, is an excellent, present father to our kids, makes me laugh, is kind and thoughtful etc etc. I think that's another reason why I've let it go for so long - because he is otherwise perfect

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ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:08

Furrbabymama887 · 11/09/2022 12:03

I dated a guy like this from 17 to 21. I loved him at the time and he treated me well in some ways but he had no sex drive at all. I think he also had some kind of sex phobia and negative thoughts about sex. He didn't like vaginas and when talking about oral sex he used to say "do you think our grandparents did this back in their day?!" and " the more we have sex the more you'll want it so let's keep it to special occasions".
I ended up sleeping with someone else and ending the relationship. I'd have lived a life of misery with him as I am highly sexed. He's now married and him and his wife dress and act like a couple in their 60s. Your mistake was to get married to this man, knowing what he's like.

There's something in this that rings true, in that he is definitely more prudish than me about sex. But I am not highly sexed - just want something rather than nothing

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Day20 · 11/09/2022 12:09

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:02

We've been together 9 years in total

I thought you was going to say longer. How old are you and him?

It's not too late at all. I'm always suspicious of sexless relationships and I have no personal experience but it's obvious something so natural that it is a red flag.

It's not too late OP you deserve happiness and a sex life too! Life is too short.

Lampzade · 11/09/2022 12:09

Porn addiction. Normal sex doesn’t turn him on.

girlmom21 · 11/09/2022 12:10

@ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit would an open marriage work for you both if it meant your needs being met?

noclothesinbed · 11/09/2022 12:11

I don't think you can fix this. You either have to accept being in a sexless marriage or divorce.

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:12

We are early 40s

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ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:13

I don't know whether it's a porn addiction. I know he uses porn but no idea how frequently. We are going to have a sit down chat tonight once the kids are in bed so will raise it

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DarceyG · 11/09/2022 12:14

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 10:45

Don't know what to make of this.

DH and I have had a non-existent sex life for many years. I want to have sex with him, he says he wants to with me but never initiates and avoids it if I try to.

This has been an issue even before we married. We had sexual counselling prior to marriage but it didn't make any difference long term. When he proposed, I told him I didn't want a life without sex and that I would only marry him if he promised me he would always work on improving the issue. He promised he would but has done nothing since to try to improve things. He has no answer as to why he doesn't try anything on with me sexually.

This morning he went to the toilet and took his phone with him. I was in the bedroom. The Bluetooth speaker in the bedroom suddenly connected to his phone and for about 10 mins the speaker was on and off connecting to his phone, so I heard the porn he was watching and obviously wanking to.

He comes out after a while and asks me if I'm okay. I say no, it wasn't enjoyable to hear the porn you were wanking to. He gets very defensive and denies and I can see in his face he is lying.

I hate that he's lying to me and sticking to the lie even though he can tell I know exactly what he was doing. I'm upset that even though he swears blind he still fancies me, he shows no interest in any sexual contact with me but obviously is not asexual if he's wanking to porn. I was not busy so we could have had sex if he was feeling in the mood. I'm not bothered that he wanks, just that he clearly would rather do that than come anywhere near me, and that he's disrespecting me by lying about it.

What do I do? I don't want a sexless life and I fancy him, he just seems not to fancy me and has done nothing to improve the situation.

I had a boyfriend like this in the past. I believe he was A sexual and serious intimacy issues. I wouldn’t stay in a relationship like that. I found it all very odd.

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:14

girlmom21 · 11/09/2022 12:10

@ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit would an open marriage work for you both if it meant your needs being met?

I don't think either of us would be able to bear it. Just the thought of being intimate with someone else brings tears to my eyes

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Icecreamandapplepie · 11/09/2022 12:18

I was with someone like this.

Turned out he was totally and utterly addicted to porn.

Like any addict, it came with a compulsive lying problem.

It was more the lying that nearly led to me having a breakdown.

My partner too was great in every other way. That made it all the worse.

I'm not advising you one way or the other about what to do, just wanted to give sympathies and forewarn you about the lying, which come hand in hand with the porn addiction.

Chikapu · 11/09/2022 12:18

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:13

I don't know whether it's a porn addiction. I know he uses porn but no idea how frequently. We are going to have a sit down chat tonight once the kids are in bed so will raise it

What are you hoping to achieve with a sit down chat though? This situation has been going on while you were dating and all through your marriage, a chat isn't going to make him want to have sex with you, it isn't who he is.
Clearly you love him and he loves you in his own way but also clearly you aren't happy with having no sex life.

Sandra1984 · 11/09/2022 12:19

If he was not attracted to you before the marriage I can easily imagine how it all went downhill after becoming domestic partners. I would be looking into the type of porn he is watching as whatever that is turns him on a lot. Is he wanking to gay porn? younger girls? threesomes? foursomes? grannies? What turns this man on?

Is he a closeted gay? Does he have a madonna\whore complex? (he marries the good girl but wants to fuck the bad girl) Whatever his problem is he's not attracted to you. If you want a sex life you're going to have to open the marriage, get a lover or a divorce.

ohrightsoimjustexpectedtolivewithit · 11/09/2022 12:21

Icecreamandapplepie · 11/09/2022 12:18

I was with someone like this.

Turned out he was totally and utterly addicted to porn.

Like any addict, it came with a compulsive lying problem.

It was more the lying that nearly led to me having a breakdown.

My partner too was great in every other way. That made it all the worse.

I'm not advising you one way or the other about what to do, just wanted to give sympathies and forewarn you about the lying, which come hand in hand with the porn addiction.

How do you find out if he's addicted to porn if the default is to lie about it? I'm going to ask him about his porn use but if he lies, how will I ever know? I don't really want to cross the line of secretly looking at his phone, I think that's pretty low and would be very pissed off if he snooped at mine

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TheClogLady · 11/09/2022 12:22

I’ve been here.

dead bedroom, feeling sad, miserable, rejected and dejected. Husband that frequently used porn and just couldn’t see why I found that hurtful (he really didn’t see masturbation and sex as related, whereas I can’t compartmentalise them to the same degree).

it wasn’t really the wanking that bothered me (although I do have generalised issues with porn/anything sex ‘industry’ related) what was so difficult for me was that he was able to meet his own needs (physical orgasm) in a manner *that made it more difficult^ for my needs (intimacy & connection through sex) to be met because he’d had a wank he didn’t have any interest in sexual activity of any other sort.

The big difference between my situation and yours was that we started out with a fantastic, seemingly-very-compatible sex life and after we had our daughter, it stopped (and I made sure I got back to looking v. similar to pre pregnancy, perhaps better, in an attempt to make him
want me again so that definitely wasn’t the root of it).

the upshot was that my feelings of rejection made me very vulnerable to attention from elsewhere and I developed a close friendship with a male friend* - it was only ever a friendship but it made me realise that I wanted that closeness within a romantic/domestic relationship, I didn’t want an emotionally distant partner and a separate intense friendship.

we went to marriage counselling and perhaps unsurprisingly, my husband’s issues really turned out to be fear of long term intimacy due to an unspoken fear of abandonment. He had a shit load of emotional baggage around his parents relationship/divorce and being abandoned by his mother (who had moved abroad to start a new relationship when he was a teen) etc.

we divorced. I married someone who, like me wanted intimacy through sex. Me and my ex are effective and respectful co parents.

My ex has been seeing a counsellor on and off ever since we split. We don’t talk about any of it any more but he’s in a long term relationship with a woman who seems lovely and I hope for both their sakes he’s fixed some of the issues that had him creeping out of bed for a morning wank in the living room rather than waking me up.

Alternatively, I hope her baggage matches his and she’s happy in a sexless relationship!

(he stopped drinking, so he has genuinely worked on himself since we split. I don’t think he would’ve had the motivation for counselling/therapy if I hadn’t left him)

It’s ok to have your own needs, and it’s ok for this to be a dealbreaker.

It’s ok if you just aren’t a good match sex wise and it’s ok to set yourself free to find someone who is better for you.

I know you’ve already had couples counselling but it might be worth one more try at that if the rest of the marriage is good? But if it’s something as deep seated as my ex’s issues you might well decide you don’t have 5-10 more years to wait around to see if he can fix it.

*we’re still friends but in a much more normal way, meet up a few times a year and WhatsApp news stories to each other, rather than 3am texts about the poetic potential of loneliness 🙄🤣

beachcitygirl · 11/09/2022 12:23

Im so so sorry, but please please leave whilst you can still be friends & co-parent well & you can find aomeone who will love & cherish you & you can have great sex with.

This will destroy you. The lies & the knowledge that he prefers the abuse of women to you.

You're not a couple. You are flatmates with kids only you want a real marriage & you are entitled to that.

olympicsrock · 11/09/2022 12:26

This is awful. You need to end the marriage. Let him be your friend and coparent but stop the charade of marriage.

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