To not want to eat halal meat?

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Most restaurants serve it now, especially my favourite which is Indian food. Finding it more and more difficult to find somewhere that doesn't?

@Carpy88999 - There are vets AND animal welfare officers monitoring stuns. They HAVE to be effective- it would be close to impossible to process an animal that was still conscious. Honestly, a cow could knock someone out if it was thrashing around. It would be a health and safety nightmare for any of the workers.

It's my job. I know it. How much time do you spend in abattoirs if you don't mind me asking?

I said imports of animal that have been pre-stunned. Ie imported dead.

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Yes, this.

I haven’t witnessed a halal slaughterhouse killing but I have seen a domestic killing of a sheep for Eid when I was staying with a family in North Africa.

I was given the choice to watch or not. I felt that if I couldn’t bring myself to witness it’s death then I shouldn’t eat it.

The sheep’s eyes were covered, the prayer was read and immediately a very fast and very deep cut was made to the neck. There was no pre-stunning as it was considered very important that the animal heard the prayer at the moment of death.

It died very quickly. There was movement after death but it was obviously not conscious movement but the muscles twitching as they lost their blood supply.

I haven’t seen what happens in slaughterhouses but I’ve seen much worse deaths than the one delivered to that sheep.

I think it’s gross hypocrisy to fret about halal. Think about the entire process and the welfare of the animal’s life as a whole before you judge.

Halal does not just refer to the way the animal dies; it demands that it was reared with care and given a good quality of life.

The majority of people in this country are not vegetarian and so, it seems to me, that if we continue with slaughtering animals, it should be done in the most humane way possible. As an animal welfarist I can't see that you'd disagree with that.

This thread is completely bizarre to me. There's no less cruel way to slaughter an animal. I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading. The things some people believe so they can justify eating meat...

I'd much rather eat halal and kosher due to having more respect for the animal before death. Anyone who thinks halal/kosher is inhumane and 'traditional' slaughter isn't is deluded. In both halal and kosher you are not allowed to let animals see another animal being slaughtered, the knife has to be hidden from its view and it has to be fed/watered up until the point of slaughter.
Halal chicken in particular is everywhere, the vast majority of takeaways use halal chicken as it is sold wholesale. Halal meat is slaughtered in an ordinary abbatoir (they 'rent' it on certain days or rent sections of it) so actually is financially beneficially.
All of New Zealand lamb is halal as they provide to the ME.

There are laws and codes of practices on how all animals are to be reared. There's nothing hypocritical about requiring that their end of life be as humane as possible as well. And as Muslim religious leaders have approved of pre-stunning, there's no reason why it can't be all pre-stunned.

In slaughterhouses in the UK, animals do not witness stunning or slaughter either. Nor do farmers starve their animals or refuse them water before they are sent to slaughter. For the love of god, people, at least know what you are talking about before you post!

There is a less cruel way to kill an animal actually. Quick and painless rather than slow and painful.

First of all, ALL animals are pre-stunned in NZ. Of course, that doesn't stop it being halal.

Secondly, no animal in UK abattoirs are allowed to see another animal being slaughtered. They don't see any knives because they are pre-stunned.

Thirdly, there are strict slaughterhouse regulations that all animals in a slaughterhouse have to receive food, water and adequate bedding both on arrival and during their stay til time of slaughter.

Quick and painless would be a razor-sharp knife administered to the carotid artery.

"Every re-stun has to be recorded." So stunning failure/re-stunning is a thing then?

The statement that supermarkets carry only pre-stunned meat is not true - how come there's kosher meat in Tesco et al?

Clearly you haven't been in a slaughterhouse. Most definitely prestunning is less cruel than not.

Halal meat is better in regards to animal welfare. But at the end of the day if you wat meat the animal has to be killed.

What I struggle to understand is that people have eaten meat since the beginning of time and people have only justrealised now how meat is killed and therefore now decided to be vegatarian/vegan.

It's not rocket science to understand that meat was once living and had to be killed to be eaten. You should be more concerned about how the animal was treated when alive which is actually what halal Is. If the animal has been mistreated whilst alive it doesn't matter how its killed as it won't ever be halal.

Halal isn't just about a prayer and aside to the throat. It's the way the animals is treated and looked after. The animal must not understand it is about to be killed either so that it is not frightened. It must not see other animals being slaughtered. And once it has bee slaughtered the blood must be drained.

My typing is awful today. I do apologise

In my opinion, all meat should be labelled e.g. halal, kosher etc.. And people then can choose. But what I do not understand is why when it comes to slaughter halal meat and Muslims is also mentioned. Kosher meat has a similar technique to halal meat but you do not hear much people saying Jewish people have vile slaughter practices like Muslims. In fact, for Muslims I am aware that they can eat kosher meat. I get when vegans or vegetarians criticise slaughter but when you get people who eat meat say this is cruel, this is that etc it is quite hypocritical. But yes everyone should get the choice labelling is the best option.

Milk consumption would bother me more. Cows kept permanently pregnant so they produce more milk. Calves whipped away from them in a matter of hours and just killed and cremated as few eat veal nowadays.

@SleepDreamThinkHuge very good point. But us Muslims have been dredged through the mud by the media. The Jewish community have quite a large community especially high up in the media and other top industries. So they won't be mentioned as much.

Actually we can eat kosher if there's no halal option or vegetarian option available.

What a load of racism dressed up as concern for animal welfare. To the anti-halal brigade not being able to engage with the comments pointing out the hypocrisy of this argument - call yourselves what you are, racist.

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Halal meat is better in regards to animal welfare.

All animals are reared under strict animal welfare laws and codes of practice. So how does the rearing of animals for halal meat differ from those of non halal origin?

Similar thread on MN 12 months ago turned me vegetarian. It's not just the despatching, it's the short life animals lead as well.

I haven't eaten meat since

SleepDream "you do not hear much people saying Jewish people have vile slaughter practices like Muslims" Actually the EU basically said that.

Libre agree about milk production

Yes, re-stunning is a thing - although frare (the stun gun may mis-fire for example). But the animal will be immediately re-stunned.
Without being too outing I have a lot to do with supermarkets and abattoirs. All halal policies require a pre-stun. Kosher isn't my area of expertise.