To not want to eat halal meat?

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Most restaurants serve it now, especially my favourite which is Indian food. Finding it more and more difficult to find somewhere that doesn't?

All animals are required to be looked after to quite high codes of conduct. I won't say high because we always want better. Your argument is based on farmers being Muslim and therefore wanting to keep to halal rules. I'm not sure how that bears out in practice bur it's an interesting point that they might be more scared by God than by the FSA! And very believable in many cases I should think.
I'm strongly against non stunning, that won't change but I'll definitely look into how animals are raised, ie without antibiotics, etc, to check that out. I don't eat meat anyway, being in a slaughterhouse can do that to you, but I'm always interested in learning new things. Thanks.

Cows and pigs are now factory farmed. It is not a high degree of animal welfare, it is absolutely shocking. And most of the public do not understand what is happening.

Yeah, probably. I am curious to know whether OP doesn't want to eat Halal meat for slaughter reasons or just because they think it tastes different. I guess we'll never know...

It might be for religious reasons. Some people won't eat meat that has been blessed by a religion.

Oh yes, that could also be a possible reason.

If you genuinely work in an abbotoir you deserve no respect.

I can't see the UK ever going full vegan, though. So if we have to have the industry, we need vets and animal welfare officers going into abattoirs to check what's going on.

@MarshaMelrose thank you for considering my view point. Ofcourse I can't say all farm's are good or bad etc. But I do think if the farmer is Muslim or Jewish the chance of animal welfare will be higher. Not that it is 100% higher than any other farm. We can never say what goes on when not seen but generally yes religious people would be more scared of God than the FSA.

Before long there will be no need to farm animals as all meat will be grown in a lab. Cheaper (eventually), no welfare to worry about and better for the environment. I'm a vegan but will be first in the queue to get my hands on the stuff.

Oh, @Carpy88999 , I'm with you. I miss meat!

Ease for who? Absolute disgrace.

What is disgraceful about it?

@Pava22 I have no animus towards any religion and feel we have a lot to learn from other cultures. In my experience humans are all the same, the majority decent and law-abiding, with a minority being crappy. I guess the same is true of farmers...across all religions, so I agree it improves the likelihood even if it won't be 100% After all, that's why we have laws. But I love the fact that God is more effective than the FSA. 😀 I know I've only done the right thing sometimes because I'm worried about karma so why would farmers be different!
Anyway, thanks for the information. It's very interesting.

@BerryBerryBerryBerry - I am none of those. But if I was, I wouldn't feel ashamed of it, nor should I. I work with farmers, the vast majority of whom care very much about the welfare of their animals. But understand that they are part of a food chain that, yes, means sending them for meat. Abattoirs are so tightly regulated and controlled now - and so full of people - that nobody would get away with animal cruelty. There's CCTV everywhere. Again, the vast majority understand that they are part of a food chain and they are there to do a job. Clearly not one you agree with, but it's not up to you, is it, while people still want to eat meat? Not sure why you're so angry with me, or the world.

I know dog-whistle racism when I see it and this one is very loud.

@StepAwayFromGoogling watch Land of Hope and Glory. I got about 7 minutes in before I nearly smashed my TV to bits. CCTV and hidden footage capturing just how cruel some workers can be. In fact, watch the many documentaries about abuse in care homes. If people can inflict such suffering onto other humans, imagine what people can do to other non-human animals.

There are also plenty of studies showing that some slaughterhouse workers suffer ill mental health and PTSD. I assume those are the ones who would never be as cruel as those caught in Land of Hope and Glory.

Are you calling me a racist for saying that prestunning is more humane? Get over yourself with your dog whistles. You clearly know nothing. 😏

@Vegay - I'm in and out of abattoirs as part of my job. What you see on a film like that is not representative of the industry. You will get bad apples everywhere, it's just that in abattoirs (and children's homes, hospitals etc) they are much more able to do real harm.

@StepAwayFromGoogling it wasn't a film. It was a documentary. You said that abbatoirs are so tightly controlled, that nobody would get away with cruelty, I'm just saying that statement is incorrect.

Agree with your last sentence.

I agree. I buy organic where possible in the hope that the animal had a decent quality of life. No method of slaughter is that humane - they can still smell the blood in the slaughterhouse.

YABU, we are culturally Jewish and veggies. All slaughter is barbaric. Kosher and Halal slaughter is much more welfare focused. The animal cannot be slaughtered if it is distressed and the slaughter must be instant. This is not the case for most commercial slaughter.

Literally every single abbatoir activists either go undercover in or put up hidden cameras in exposes bad practices.

Yes I’d avoid pork too unless it’s outdoor reared . Most people eat a lot of chicken which is why I mentioned it. Pigs do not have a good life either .

If accommodation is made for Sheiks to enable them to avoid virtually slaughtered meat (which I wasn't aware of before this thread) then atheists should be afforded the same respect.

i don't want to support any organised religion in my purchasing choices and so should have the choice to avoid halal and kosher meat.

@Carpy88999 I have a lot of respect for those activists. I'm vegan, but I couldn't do what they do. As previously mentioned, I watched 7 minutes of Land of Hope and Glory before I was engraged and had to turn it off. It haunts me still. I don't know what I'd be physically capable of if I saw it in real life. I would want to hurt them badly though.

i don't want to support any organised religion in my purchasing choices and so should have the choice to avoid halal and kosher meat. you do have that choice though surely?