To not want to eat halal meat?

[PinkRiceKrispies]

Most restaurants serve it now, especially my favourite which is Indian food. Finding it more and more difficult to find somewhere that doesn't?

All animals are stunned before being slaughtered. Do you think any man can hang up a 1000kg animal without it being unconscious?

@bendmeoverbackwards
"I don’t think being vegetarian or vegan is enough if you care about animal welfare. Unless there is evidence to show that the rise in vegetarianism is linked to a drop in meat production."

Here's some evidence;-
www.frontier-economics.com/uk/en/news-and-articles/articles/article-i6912-the-rise-of-veganism-and-its-impact-on-spending-on-meat/#

@BerryBerryBerryBerry
Well aren't you so lucky that DEFRA, the RSPCA and the police are such great enforcers. Oh, hang on a minute British Empire, you are no more civilised that the peasants who came from poor, religious countries.

It's not DEFRA, it's the FSA.
It's nothing to do with religion. It's to do with what is best for the animals. In fact the majority of Muslim countries have fatwas approving pre-stunning.
What's the British Empire got to do with it? Saudi Arabia, not a poor country I think you'll agree imports much of its halal meat that has been prestunned.

Also horse shit. Christ alive the level of ignorance on this thread is astonishing. 'Traditional' halal is not a fast death. It is a painful and protracted bleed out where the animal thrashes around in pain. By contrast, pre-stunning at UK abattoirs is incredibly effective. If for any reason the stun doesn't work, it will be immediately repeated. The animal will then be bled and be unconscious and insensible to pain until death is caused.

What is xenophobic or racist about animals being pre-stunned before slaughter? It's more humane and the majority of halal meat is slaughtered that way. Plus the majority if Muslim countries have fatwas approving pre-stunning, recognising that it's more humane

@Carpy88999 - I can assure you I'm not. It's my fucking job. I spend a lot of time in abattoirs. Animal will twitch post death - it's a muscle reflex - so it looks horrendous when filmed but they are as dead as dead can be.

You’re about to be executed!

• slit your throat
• gunshot to the head

Which one do you choose ? There’s your answer!

Is this why you posted? You've given no reason whatsoever for your preference. FWIW, if you are in the UK ~ 80% of "Indian" restaurants are owned by British Bangladeshi citizens and so there's a pretty good chance that they'll only serve halal food.

"I was told that any animal slaughtered in the uk and sold for human consumption is stunned before slaughter whether it be halal or not"

This is not true. Kosher slaughtering does not permit stunning, as the meat is not kosher, i.e. 'fit', if the animal is injured or diseased. And some 40% of stunning does not render the animal unconscious straight away anyway - imagine the terror.

Each animal slaughtered kosherly is handled individually by a trained person who severs the carotid artery which serves the brain. This results in massive blood loss and consequent drop in blood pressure, and therefore almost immediate unconsciousness.

This is 'better' than being strung up by your feet on a conveyor belt surrounded by similar poor wretches with a bolt in your head that hasn't worked properly.

Humans then consume all those stress hormones.

And as a PP said, how the animal lives its life beforehand is important too.

I can't speak for the op but I know Christians who object because they feel that the fact that it has been prayed over by other religions makes it unacceptable for them to eat it.

Have you witnessed this first hand ?

Also, the vast majority of halal meat slaughtered in the UK is pre-stunned. All supermarkets have a pre-stun policy. All beef, pork and lamb is bled after stunning so it's killed in exactly the same way for 'conventional' or halal meat. The difference with halal is that it will prayed over. Usually just a recording played as the meat is processed.

It's just another way to have a go at Muslims.
If you were that bothered you'd be vegetarian.

Of course they're going to follow the rules when you're in. I assume you aren't active participant working on the kill floor. I guess you work for the FSA? Every single time an animal activist goes undercover they find all sorts of standard practices being bent or not adhered too.

ConsuelaHammock
No, but I have researched it.
Have you?
I also know someone who worked in an abattoir who confirmed this.

It’s always a recording. They don’t have a Muslim priest sitting in a room popping out every now and again to say a prayer 😂

I lived in Saudi. They used to import Australian beef for Halal slaughter within Saudi so add the journey and further abuse to that.

I've said it once, I'll say it again - ANIMALS ARE STUNNED PROPERLY. Every abattoir in the UK has a trained vet AND animal welfare officers ensuring this is the case. Every re-stun has to be recorded. No animal is strung up conscious.

I grew up on a farm and my husband is a farmer. I’m quite sure I know more about beef farming that you do ....

Because of the cows' physiology it can take a long time for cows to become unconscious.

It's true that a stunning does not always work the first time in a small number of animals but animals are immediately restunned. Saying 40% of stunning fails to render animals unconscious is just plain wrong.

Kosher still does not pre-stun but the majority of halal meat is pre-stunned these days.

Me too. Have been eating less and less meat over recent months and this thread is my push to make the change.

I decided that I didn’t like the practice of Halal meat, but after a bit of research and thinking I realised Halal meat wasn’t the problem for me, it was the killing of animals in general, so I became vegetarian

Oh bless you. You really believe this 😀

What difference does it make? The animal on your plate is still dead however it is killed. Meat is murder